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What is 5R Rifling?

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
Conventional rifling uses either 6 or 4 symmetrical lands and grooves to stabilize the bullet. Each of the lands (the raised portion of the rifling) are directly opposite one another. The grooves are opposite of one another. The majority of barrels are conventionally rifled. The military and most machine guns also use conventional rifling.
5R is an improvement over conventional rifling by changing the shape and configuration of the lands and grooves. As effective as conventional rifling is, 5 R is an improvement in a couple different ways:
1.Conventional rifling has sharp 90-degree corners from the top of the land to the bottom of the groove.
2.Conventional rifling has lands and grooves opposing one another.
5R rifling improves this by using 5 lands and grooves over the even numbers which puts lands opposite of grooves. The transition from the top of the land to the groove is sloped.
5R reduces projectile deformation as it passes through the bore during the firing. By placing the lands opposite of the grooves, the bullets are no longer squeezed on opposite sides so that the projectile stays uniform instead of squeezing material into the grooves. More uniform projectile means better accuracy.
By sloping the transition to the groove, the barrel becomes much easier to clean. In a conventional rifled platform, these corners have a lead buildup and other superheated materials left after shooting. Cleaning brushes and patches have a tough time reaching these corners as they are very small. By sloping it, cleaning brushes and patches are more effective to get to the deposits for a better cleaning. A cleaner barrel means more accurate.
Conventional rifling has been used for many years and will continue to be a mainstay of most firearms. Though conventional rifling has proven to be very accurate for many years, 5R is considered an upgrade for those looking for additional performance. These improvements make it a great option for competitive shooting.
 
#3 ·
The benefits of 5R have been verified in actual testing. The "radiusing" - is this a word? - of the land edge does cause less bullet deformation as the bullet engraves itself into the rifling.

However, and this is just my opinion, the natural break-in and wear-in-service of conventional rifling diminishes the "clash" of bullet engraving over time and the benefit of the touted 5R is realized anyway.

I doubt many of us could tell the performance difference thru our "bio-sensors".
 
#5 ·
Is there some conclusive testing which proves 5R is better, through similar rifles, using
5R and standard rifling, side by side? Are you saying 5R literally improves a shooter's
overall accuracy?

And, of course, what rifles are available, which use 5R rifling? Is it cut rifling, button rifling,
or cold hammer forged? What are the MOA certs for these new 5R rifles?
 
#7 ·
The reason the Martini Cadet rifles imported into the US back in the 1950's were so inaccurate was because they were confused with the .32/20 WCF cartridge. The Cadets have a 5 groove 1:26 rifling pattern. The old slug and mike method of determining bore diameter won't work on those barrels. So the gun sellers hogged out the receiver and shot the undersized .312 bullet down the .323 bore, with predictable results. The rifling was not the problem. Lack of knowledge of using the that rifling pattern was the the problem. These Cadet were manufactured over 100 years ago. Five groove has been around for at least that long.


 
#10 ·
Mine is a two groove barrel and it loves heavy bullets.
 
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#11 ·
The 1903A3 rifles were barreled with 2 groove rifling to cut cost. Shooting the issue 170 grs. spritzer they had a comparable accuracy at ranges 300 yds and under. At ranges beyond 300 yds the 4 groove barrels exceeded the accuracy of the 2 groove barrels with Service Loads.
If you will look closely at the crown of a 2 groove it is slightly oval. The Spitzer Service load was deformed an began to "Yaw" at ranges beyond 300 yds. The cast bullet shooters like the 2 groove shooting a long heavy cast "bow"/bau rider bullets. The USMC shooting teams were issued 4 groove barrels. I have one that is retired and lives in my gun safe.:lol:
 
#17 ·
The 2 groove seems to like the long nose Lyman # 311334 cast bullets. This old Lyman design 187 grs. with Lyman # 2 alloy was made for the Krag. It is of interest that it has a .301 to .302 nose behind the nose is a "scrapper" ring intended to remove remove residue from the bore. These molds can be found on E-Bay?