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XD hands down, you get a grip safety, cocking indicator, loaded chamber indicator, and for me, a grip angle closer to the familiar 1911. My XD40 has never failed.

I got a good deal on a G 20, I was shopping for a ten, I had it one week and sold it. Couldnt hit the broadside of a proverbial barn with it. Odd grip angle for me.
 
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red-rider said:
XD hands down, you get a grip safety, cocking indicator, loaded chamber indicator, and for me, a grip angle closer to the familiar 1911. My XD40 has never failed.
<---------Same here....fits my hand very well, 100% reliable, "point and shoot ergonomics".....can't beat it IMHO.....
 
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Different strokes for different folks.
All state agency LE's in GA used to carry the S&W hi cap, a reliable pistol. As Glocks gained in popularity a joint inquiry group was formed between several state agencies. Several brands were tested, including the Glock 22. All of the guns were abused, put into mud, run over by vehicles, submerged in water. The Glock was the only one that would fire after the abuse. The G 22 is the GA issue now.
My older son has one of the first Glock 17s that was sold in GA. He's put thousands of rounds through it. Two years ago his brother, a Federal LE and qualified gunsmith fitted a ported competition barrel on it. It will drive tacks.
My Federal LE son carries a department issue Sig as his duty weapon. Off duty he carries a Glock. His background is 11 1/2 years combat arms in the Air Force. He worked up through rank until he was in charge of the armory and range. He attended gunsmith courses for every AF combat arms, the Sig sidearm up to and including the mortar. He got permission to attend the Glock armorer's workshop. The Glock trigger can be reworked to make it smooth as silk, also a competition trigger is available from Glock with a little less than 3#pull. If you ever attend a match in South Carolina and Special Agent Franklin Ramsey, USAF OSI shows up with his Glock 19- beware. He will show you how accurate the Glock is. He did the same barrel and trigger job on my G 26, it will drive tacks as well.
I am a lifelong pistol collector (age 64) and have Kimbers, Colts, a Browning hi power, H&Ks, Walthers including the squeeze cockers. In my semi retired occupation as private contractor doing investigations for insurance companies and attorneys, I go into neighborhoods where cops go two to a car. I trust my life to my G 26.
There are a lot of fine handguns, pick the one that fits your hand the best and gives you the best results on the range and you'll be happy.
Just my $0.02 worth, IMHO.
 
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whompuss said:
*snip*There are a lot of fine handguns, pick the one that fits your hand the best and gives you the best results on the range and you'll be happy.
Just my $0.02 worth, IMHO.
that pretty much says it all right there!
 

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whompuss- You speak a lot on the Glocks but how much experience do you have with XD's??? Pretty much everything you just said can be applied to XD's as well. I personally believe both Glocks and XD's are in the same class for function and reliability. The biggest difference that people comment on is grip angle. Take a peak at this article when you have a chance.

http://springfield-armory.primediaoutdo ... tory11.php

-Derek
 
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red-rider said:
XD hands down, you get a grip safety, cocking indicator, loaded chamber indicator, and for me, a grip angle closer to the familiar 1911. My XD40 has never failed.

I got a good deal on a G 20, I was shopping for a ten, I had it one week and sold it. Couldnt hit the broadside of a proverbial barn with it. Odd grip angle for me.
Yep, same here. I throwed my Glock in a drawer when I bought a XD and have not had it out since. XD for me. :--- :--- :---
 
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I own both.

My only problem with Glock, other than the childishness of "only Glock" owners, is the way they have addressed "upgrades" over the years. I had one that was effected by the slide issue and needed a replacement frame. I read about it on Glock Talk, and Smyrna support all but refused to acknowledge the issue, until I got hot about it. I got the new frame, but I had to fight to get it. Contrast that to a Walther P-99 issue that took one phone call, no heat, they readily acknowledged and explained the issue, and parts were on the way immediately and received in a couple days.

That said, if I had to choose, it would be an XD because of the jugheads in Smyrna (and children on GT; which is a group I would prefer not to be associated with). The XD is deadly accurate, the Glock is not. The XD is a fine firearm, the Glock is really good.

Items like the cocked indicator, grip safety, and loaded chamber indicator have not been implemented by Glock because of arrogance. It was other manufacturers who made those items popular, and Gaston will not likely accept them anytime soon. I couldn't believe Glock released a green frame. That must have been a bid spec on a large purchase.

If you like the bells and whistles, and a manufacturer who implements such items to enhance safety and functionality, the XD is the choice.

I cannot see myself going to the adoption center, and thinking 'golly gee, which Glock\XD\Sig do I not have. I got to get all the Glocks\XD\Sigs. I don't have one of the green ones, yeah, I will get that'. I go to the adoption center to get a classic I do not already have. The last time I went to an adoption center, the XD was the one I did not have, and wanted. Now it sits well with Walthers, Sigs, HK, Kimbers, Glock, Smith, and Rugers.
 
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I prefer the Glock, though XDs are pretty good pistols.

Glock advantages:

1. Trigger reset is much shorter and firmer than XD, which is long and mushy.
2. Glock bore axis is lower, reducing muzzle flip.
3. Glock has a longer track record of reliability.
4. Glock accessories more available and generally cheaper.

I don't think Glock not including extraneous appendages like grip safeties and loaded chamber indicators is a sign of "arrogance." Rather, Glock assumes shooters are competent enough not to violate the rules of safe gunhandling. A competent shooter doesn't need a grip safety (he keeps his finger off the trigger until ready to fire) or a loaded chamber indicator (he knows the condition of his weapon). Safety lies between the ears, not between the hands.
 
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xjedix said:
whompuss- You speak a lot on the Glocks but how much experience do you have with XD's??? Pretty much everything you just said can be applied to XD's as well. I personally believe both Glocks and XD's are in the same class for function and reliability. The biggest difference that people comment on is grip angle. Take a peak at this article when you have a chance.

http://springfield-armory.primediaoutdo ... tory11.php

-Derek
Never owned an XD but know of it's excellent reputation. That's why I added at the end to pick the pistol that fits well in your hand and gives the desired results at the range and you'll be happy.
The XD has a distinct advantage, it has classic lines. The best you can say about the Glock is that it's butt uggly.
The defense of the Glock was at the beginning ref accuracy. As later posted don't let the trigger return full and you'll see a difference. But if the Glock grip doesn't feel good you'll never like it. Personally, the best feeling grip of all I've ever shot is the Kahr, but I can't shoot a tight group with it..
 
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i own both. have carried both. done alot of work to both. and i can say this.

both are good guns. its all personal preference.

the only problem i have with either of them is with the xd.

cant get parts. i wont send my carry gun off for an extractor. the glock one i can buy locally if it chips
 

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I have never had an XD in my hand. So I really can't comment on its effectiveness. I do know the Glock is very easy for beginners and people with limited experience with guns to shoot fairly well.

The Glock looks like a "Block" but has earned is reputation as a fine pistol. I have two but always seem to gravitate to my 1911 Kimbers. I just prefer the feel of the steel and alum framed pistols.
 
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I have both xd 40 sc and xd full size glock 19

the trigger on the g19 feels very weird it seems like its very very heavy and fake so yeah lol.

xd9 is much more pleasant. imho.

I love both of them to death.
 
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To each his own, but I have Glocks but no XD handguns, PRIMARILY because I consider a grip safety an unwanted addition, just as I think the same about both manual safeties and magazine safeties. ANYTHING that requires an extra step in a shooter's thought process, regardless of his level of training, is a potential death threat.

What am I talking about? Anybody who has ever spent even a modest amount of time on the firing line with shooters using versions of the 1911 have seen repeated failures to get a round downrange during a firing exercise because the "operator (as in 'Operator Error')" failed to remove either the manual safety or to properly depress the grip safety.

Magazine safeties, of course, completely deactivate your pistol during the reloading process when the pressure might REALLY be on to get right back in action. Law enforcement agencies routinely avoid them as should those "civilians" serious about CCW.

Speaking of law enforcement agencies, FYI, contrary to a previous post in this thread, the Glock G22 is no longer the standard issue sidearm of Georgia law enforcement. The Georgia State Patrol and other GPS agencies began transistioning to the Glock .45 GAP in its assorted sizes about three months ago.
 
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Mike Barham said:
I don't think Glock not including extraneous appendages like grip safeties and loaded chamber indicators is a sign of "arrogance." Rather, Glock assumes shooters are competent enough not to violate the rules of safe gunhandling. A competent shooter doesn't need a grip safety (he keeps his finger off the trigger until ready to fire) or a loaded chamber indicator (he knows the condition of his weapon). Safety lies between the ears, not between the hands.
There is the arrogance of which I spoke. As Metallica said in a song, "arrogance and ignorance go hand in hand".

So only "expert" shooters use Glock? What about the single mother who realizes she needs to be able to protect herself, and is told to get a Glock? What about the 21 year old college grad who decides he\she wants to get a carry permit? I have loaned my G19 to a single mother to take CCW classes, and it is PERFECT for her.

Where have these types of individuals developed the skills to be considered "competent"? They haven't. Most cops are not "competent". How many people will buy a Glock as a first sidearm? A LOT. I wouldn't hurt Glock to add some safety features for their sake. The problem with that is that it would be like an admission that Glock left something off. Glock doesn't do that.


That said, my P-99's have loaded chamber indicator, and every time I pick one up, I move the slide to verify it is loaded; I never depend on the indicator. But, in the case of the XD, I can see if it is being carried, the luxury of being able to slide your finger down the slide and verify that is loaded.

The cocked indicator is not as necessary on a variant like Glock when it is almost always cocked. I do use that one on the P-99s, because they are DA\SA.

The point being that these bells and whistles are popular for a reason, and other manufacturers are using them. Of course, Glockovics will refuse to admit these options have their place, because if they do, they have to say 1,000 "Hail Glocks", and 1,000 "Our Gaston" as penance is heavy for such a sin.

I especially never expect to see Gaston add the removable backstraps. That is the one feature that really sweetens up a pistol.
 
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Captain38 said:
What am I talking about? Anybody who has ever spent even a modest amount of time on the firing line with shooters using versions of the 1911 have seen repeated failures to get a round downrange during a firing exercise because the "operator (as in 'Operator Error')" failed to remove either the manual safety or to properly depress the grip safety.

Sorry dude, not true. I have spent a heavy amount of time on firing lines, I've taken several classes with my 1911, and even single action 1911 classes. That just doesn't happen like you want to imply. The grip safety is very easily disengaged, and even limp wristing does not have any affect on it.

Another Glockovic with a chip on his shoulder againt 1911's?

John Browning was a far more accomplished firearm designer than Gaston Glock will ever be. It took much more expertise and prowess to do what Browning did in the era he did it, than for Gaston in his era. Wow, that should send you running for the nitro tabs.
 
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We won't argue, but I can assure you that it HAS happened ONE OR MORE TIMES that I observed (and who knows how many I didn't) at EVERY handgun class I've ever attended where 1911 shooters took to the line. I was originally tempted to start dropping the names of those instructors you'd probably recognize who were there but then I reconsidered and am willing to drop this point of the discussion.

I know and respect 1911s. I carried a Colt Combat Commander as a Detective Sergeant and Detective Lieutenant. My point is that the 1911's manual of arms IS more complicated than more so-called modern pistols and IT'S NOT the right pistol for those unwilling to become instinctively familiar with it.
 
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I own and conceal an Xd40sc daily. I have to admit though, that I've never even fired a glock. When I was looking for a pistol to buy, I would go to the shops and hold them though. I prefered the way the Xd's and the M&P's felt in my hand over the Glock's and the Sig's. That's why I don't own a Glock. As far as the additional safties are concerned, I was was a little worried about the added steps between unholster and "bang!", but after firing an Xd I realized that depressing the grip and trigger safties took no additional thought whatsoever. I like the fact that I have to intentionally point and shoot my pistol in order for it to go fire. If assuming the competence of firearm users to practice safety means that we don't need "safties", then I suppose that I shouldn't have a car with seatbelts in it... or maybe I shouldn't wear a leather jacket that has pads in it when I drive my morotcycle... I don't mean to offend anyone, but I wouldn't dare think that I'm so good that a grip safety is useless to me!
 
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