[Gun Nerd]

The underlying purpose of the right to keep and bear arms is to serve as a final check and balance, if all else fails the people have a means to overthrow the government should the government become tyrannical and oppressive. Thus, according to the right to keep and bear arms the average citizen should have access to anything in the way of small arms that the soldier or police officer has access to. The 2nd Amendment does not grant the right to keep and bear arms, it identifies the right to keep and bear arms.



The right to keep and bear arms existed since the beginning of time, way before the 2nd Amendment or the US Constitution was written. What the 2nd Amendment does along with all the other amendments in the Bill Of Rights is it identifies the right. It identifies it as a God given right or a natural right which means that the right was granted by God or by whatever higher power you might believe in, a power that’s above the government. Thus as the government did not grant the right to keep and bear arms the government is not supposed to be able to take it away, the only power that should be able to take it away is the same power that granted it in the first place.



As far as to whether or not the right to keep and bear arms should allow citizens to have access to the same weapons used in the military, well it should. Some might argue that the 2nd Amendment should only apply to muskets today since those were the weapons being used when the BOR was first written, well they’re wrong. Muskets just happened to be the weapons used by the military when the BOR was written. As I said the 2nd Amendment identifies the right which existed well before the 2A was written. Before muskets such a right applied to swords. When the 2A was written it applied to muskets since those were the weapons of the time. Today it applies to the weapons of today and in the future it will apply to whatever the weapons in the future are. Therefore since citizens had access to military weapons back when the BOR was written (muskets) the citizens of today should have access to the military weapons of today such as M-16s. Rights are only as good as those who choose to exercise them and those who choose to defend them. If we are going to exercise the right to keep and bear arms then it is my strong belief that it is our responsibility to defend it. Otherwise the right can be lost.

 

[Ziggidy]

They should be able to have the same weapons the military has, as long as they take and pass classes

 

[Caveman Jim]

This is the mentality of the British hierarchy in full bloom. Power drunk and rulers of sheep.

 

[gvaldeg1]

They should be able to have the same weapons the military has, as long as they take and pass classes

There is absolutely NO requirement in the Second Amendment to take and pass classes.

 

[GTX63]

There is no such wording as "as long as" found in the 2nd Amendment.
The more people there are, the more crowded the cities become, the more regulation is seen as a need to keep government in control. There are plenty of mass murderers in this past generation who drew no red flags, no attention from authorities, or gave any reason to suspect they were capable of violence on a large scale.
"As long as" is a foot to hold the door open so the ones who desire to steal your God given rights can get inside; and once in, they will never leave.

 

[Ziggidy]

I wish it was a a joke........a joke I tell ya.

 

[GTX63]

In Illinois, the FUDDS have been saying "Eh, it isn't so bad" to every new restriction that gets nailed to the statue of Lincoln at the town square. If they remain sleepy eyed over this one, then they get what they deserve.

 

[Ziggidy]

In Illinois, the FUDDS have been saying "Eh, it isn't so bad" to every new restriction that gets nailed to the statue of Lincoln at the town square. If they remain sleepy eyed over this one, then they get what they deserve.

If they just take that class, none of this would happen.

 

[GTX63]

I believe Jordan Peterson is being told to take a social media education class so his speech conforms to guidelines set for him by others. Now that is in Canada.
Should there be a class prior to the approval to practice a portion of our freedoms via the Bill of Rights?
The image below is the counties in Illinois that the Sheriffs have notified their locals that they will not be enforcing the unconstitutional manate.

 

[underdog]

That map looks very much like there voting maps.

 

[gvaldeg1]

That map looks very much like there voting maps.
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That map looks very much like there voting maps.
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Not really a surprise!

 

[Gun Nerd]

They should be able to have the same weapons the military has, as long as they take and pass classes

If we require people to take and pass classes to get weapons that would make the right to keep and bear arms into a privilege, not a right.

 

[Gun Nerd]

This is the mentality of the British hierarchy in full bloom. Power drunk and rulers of sheep.

Here in the USA we don't believe in rulers, not to the extent where we have kings, unless you want to label all American citizens as kings and queens. If we do have a ruler in the USA it's the people, all the American citizens that live in the USA put together, is our ruler.

 

[Gun Nerd]

There is no such wording as "as long as" found in the 2nd Amendment.
The more people there are, the more crowded the cities become, the more regulation is seen as a need to keep government in control.

The true government in the USA would be us, the American citizens. Some might say its elected officials who make up our government, people such as the President and those that make up the Congress and the Supreme Court and so forth but the fact of the matter is that they serve us, not the other way around. We are supposed to be the ones in charge and we elect people who support our best interests. We the people are supposed to be the ones that are in control.

There are plenty of mass murderers in this past generation who drew no red flags, no attention from authorities, or gave any reason to suspect they were capable of violence on a large scale.
"As long as" is a foot to hold the door open so the ones who desire to steal your God given rights can get inside; and once in, they will never leave.

Well said. And yes, the 2nd Amendment doe snot have the words "as long as," although sadly, that has been violated and we have allowed it to be violated.

 

[Gun Nerd]

In Illinois, the FUDDS have been saying "Eh, it isn't so bad" to every new restriction that gets nailed to the statue of Lincoln at the town square. If they remain sleepy eyed over this one, then they get what they deserve.

From my experience, in Illinois they don't respect your 2nd Amendment rights, they're one of the worst states in the country in that regard.

 

[Gun Nerd]

I believe Jordan Peterson is being told to take a social media education class so his speech conforms to guidelines set for him by others. Now that is in Canada.
Should there be a class prior to the approval to practice a portion of our freedoms via the Bill of Rights?
The image below is the counties in Illinois that the Sheriffs have notified their locals that they will not be enforcing the unconstitutional manate.
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Sheriffs and local police are one thing, but there's also state police, will they enforce it?

 

[GTX63]

State Police heads aren't elected, so they unfortunately are less likely to do the will of the people over the will of their bosses.

 

[Zhills]

What the Left has learned is that they can pass all sorts of Crap against 2A and it will take years for the court to finally overturn it but then they point back to their Crap and say it did amazing things so we need to adopt the Crap and thus more Crap legislation that takes years for the courts to sort out. The courts need to be more proactive and review legislation before it is passed.

 

[Caveman Jim]

Here in the USA we don't believe in rulers, not to the extent where we have kings, unless you want to label all American citizens as kings and queens. If we do have a ruler in the USA it's the people, all the American citizens that live in the USA put together, is our ruler.

You might have missed my point, I’m referring to the politicians and those on elected officials in government who are the problem that is destroying America today.

 

[Gun Nerd]

You might have missed my point, I’m referring to the politicians and those on elected officials in government who are the problem that is destroying America today.

Then it is our responsibility to stop such stuff, to prevent it from happening in the first place.