What % of mass-shootings are linked to non-binary/transgender people?

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KeithM

Discussion Starter · 30 d ago (Edited)

So here’s something I’ve been struggling to find lately.. I’ve been hearing about and I’m sure most of you have been hearing about all of the mass-shootings that have been happening in the news lately.. and it seems as if ‘white cis men’ are to blame for the majority of these mass-shootings.

Now, I’m very skeptical of this, because I know how the media love to spin things but I can hardly find anything to suggest otherwise.

So, here’s what I need help with.. backed up with statistics and evidence.. how many people that identify as ‘white cis men’ are to blame for mass shootings that have occurred recently and over the past few years compared to trans/non-binary people? And are white men to blame for the majority of mass-shootings or is this completely false?

I would just like to find an answer to this once and for all.

Any comments would be greatly appreciated.

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Popeye

· #2 · 30 d ago

Your premise is erroneous.
'White men' are not responsible for the majority of mass murder.
'Trans/non-binary' people are not responsible for the majority of these murders.
Mentally unstable people ARE responsible for the majority of these murders.
Mental instability is not limited to any particular race, color or creed.
Therefore, an argument could be made that the press is responsible for these murders since the press sensationalizes mass murder to advocate a political agenda.

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KeithM

Discussion Starter · #3 · 30 d ago (Edited)

Popeye said:
Your premise is erroneous.
'White men' are not responsible for the majority of mass murder.
'Trans/non-binary' people are not responsible for the majority of these murders.
Mentally unstable people ARE responsible for the majority of these murders.
Mental instability is not limited to any particular race, color or creed.
Therefore, an argument could be made that the press is responsible for these murders since the press sensationalizes mass murder to advocate a political agenda.

But from what I’ve gathered, the trans crowd have among the highest suicidal rates, not mainly because they aren’t accepted in society, but because of all the dangerous hormones that they are hopped up on including other factors.

Various news sources and outlets suggest that these deadly hormones not only increase suicide rates but also turn them into deadly psychopaths that will carry out such a thing in the first place.

Therefore they are classed as mentally Ill and unstable to possess a firearm, but have acquired one not legally and lawfully regardless of the gun laws in place that vary from state to state with the mental background checks in place.

This may suggest the increased amount of mass shootings that the media is also trying to cover up too to prevent an uproar from the trans/LGBT community.

Square target

· #4 · 30 d ago

So I have looked into a lot of stats over the past few years, it's almost like a hobby. First thing you need to look and remember when looking at stats is the difference between mass shooting and mass killing. Obviously they are not the same but many people don't differentiate the two. Secondly is finding the correct stats, many sites cherry pick stats. One of the popular one will tell you there have been 190 something mass shootings since 1984 or 1989 or something like that. In reality there have been that many this year alone. The reason is they only count the large media type stories that happen at schools, malls etc. Think Sandy Hook, Columbine, VA Tech or the guy who thought he was the Joker from Batman. Most mass shootings happen in inner cities and are gang, drug or some sort of rival group related. They happen daily with increases on the weekends or when we have warmer weather. Check out GVA(gun violence archive),they have the most complete list of mass shootings. Then you have mass killings to sort through as well. These are instances where other weapons were used. 911 and Oklahoma are probably the biggest two but there are many others where vehicles, bombs, fire and other things used. Also you need the definition of a mass shooting or murder. Almost every place now used 3 or more shot or 3 or more killed. At one time the criteria was 4 or more and I think the FBI still uses that number. Not sure who lowered the criteria but it happened sometime around the obama administration. No doubt to increase the numbers to try and impose more gun laws.
I would agree and disagree with Popeye on the mental health statement. I guess you have to have some sort of mental instability to pull the trigger on another human being with self defense being the exception. Most people think of the people who have mental health problem as the people who plan out their attacks, leave a manifesto, post odd stuff online or have been to some sort of counseling and labeled with some sort of mental diagnosis. In reality most are just drug dealers, gang members doing drive-by shootings etc. Like I said they have to be some sort of crazy but not the blathering schizophrenic psycho's that most people think of when you hear about mental health. You also have people who would be normal(sort of) and seemingly "snap" because of a family issue, lost job or something like that and retaliate and kill people related to whatever problem they perceive. You know, the term "going Postal". There is no one way to label all these types of people together, maybe it's just different degree of craziness? You also have terrorist type attacks as well. Think Pulse night club and the guy in NYC several years ago who simply ran people down with a vehicle.
Now onto your question. This is nothing I have looked into being it seems to be a fairly new trend though I'm sure some of the shooters over the years would have fit into this category. You're probably going to have a hard time finding any stats on this and may have to manually sift through every shooting to find ones that fit the trans crowd. All I can say is good luck, it wont be easy. I can almost guarantee you won't find any reliable source that's already broken that down. It would almost be taboo to single them out in some sort of statistical way especially when it comes to violence.
There is also different ways to compile stats. Some will just do the total amount of a certain race while others do it by rate which is the amount compared to their population numbers. they also do this when they do numbers for which states have the most murders. For instance AK is usually at the top or near the top with the highest rate of murder even though they usually have 40 or so murders per year. CA has a rate somewhere in the middle but overall the have the most murder of any state every single year and it's always over 2k per year. Some stats will include DC even though it's not a state. Their murder rate is off the charts and is by far the highest and is usually double or more of whatever ever state comes in at #2. Now back to race and rates. Using the stats that only count the high profile mass shootings(and not every inner city driveby) Asians were the most likely to commit a mass shooting. They only did a small amount but because their population numbers are so small in comparison they had one of the highest rates. If you want to do overall mass shootings African Americans commit the most overall and have the highest rate by far. Like I said above this is counting all of them that happen in Chicago, LA, NYC, Philly etc that are related to drugs, gangs etc.
Lets do weapons now. If you watch the news you would think most if not all happen with the AR-15 or similar type rifle. 100% false Handguns are by far the weapon of choice when it comes to both mass shooting and killings. For a long time VA tech was the biggest mass murder and two handguns were used. Just about any gun can be used in a mass murder, you only need a revolver and know how to use it to commit a mass shooting or mass murder if you wanted to.
The media seems to be pushing the narrative that white Christians with AR-15's are committing the most mass shootings and murders. Again that is false. There have been a lot and certainly more than any of us want to see but if you do overall and by rate they are no where near the top. The other thing they want you to believe is more guns equal more murder. For a long time(20 or so years) our murder rates were dropping and I'm pretty sure gun sales just didn't stop during that time frame. In fact we had record sales because obama was president during much of that time. Our shootings and murder have only recently began to rise again. In my opinion much of it has to do with the defund the police, the light stance on prosecuting crime and just the overall divide of this country in the past 6-7 years. The covid lockdowns I would say is also partially responsible. It seems people are just so much more angry when things opened back up. Have fun with your research.

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Mad Scientist

· #5 · 30 d ago (Edited)

KeithM said:
But from what I’ve gathered, the trans crowd have among the highest suicidal rates, not mainly because they aren’t accepted in society, but because of all the dangerous hormones that they are hopped up on including other factors.

What came first the chicken or the egg?

IMHO, people who are emotionally unstable are routinely given dangerous mind-altering prescription medications to "control" their mental instability.

These same people are being told that they will find happiness, if they change their gender and/or embrace the LQBMICKEYMOUSE+ lifestyle.

Desperate to be happy, many jump into the lie without considering the possible consequences.

After they embrace the trans-lifestyle, most find themselves still unhappy and emotionally broken as before, some even more so. Which sends them off the deep end. Which is why the suicide rate is higher with these groups. Just my 2¢.

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KeithM

Discussion Starter · #6 · 29 d ago (Edited)

Mad Scientist said:
What came first the chicken or the egg?

IMHO, people who are emotionally unstable are routinely given dangerous mind-altering prescription medications to "control" their mental instability.

These same people are being told that they will find happiness, if they change their gender and/or embrace the LQBMICKEYMOUSE+ lifestyle.

Desperate to be happy, many jump into the lie without considering the possible consequences.

After they embrace the trans-lifestyle, most find themselves still unhappy and emotionally broken as before, some even more so. Which sends them off the deep end. Which is the suicide rate is higher with these groups. Just my 2¢.

Yes these people are being sold the lie like you said and are being encouraged to transition or do whatever in hopes that it will satisfy them.. but nothing ever will.

Never before though has mental illness been encouraged like it is now and many people with mental illnesses such as those in the trans community particularly want to feel accepted for their mental illnesses..

..And this is why I believe mass shootings are on the rise particularly with these groups of people because nothing is being done about their mental illnesses.. and that is a serious problem.

Then, when they don’t get treated and are accepted for their insanity they SNAP and tragedy strikes.

KeithM

Discussion Starter · #7 · 29 d ago

Square target said:
So I have looked into a lot of stats over the past few years, it's almost like a hobby. First thing you need to look and remember when looking at stats is the difference between mass shooting and mass killing. Obviously they are not the same but many people don't differentiate the two. Secondly is finding the correct stats, many sites cherry pick stats. One of the popular one will tell you there have been 190 something mass shootings since 1984 or 1989 or something like that. In reality there have been that many this year alone. The reason is they only count the large media type stories that happen at schools, malls etc. Think Sandy Hook, Columbine, VA Tech or the guy who thought he was the Joker from Batman. Most mass shootings happen in inner cities and are gang, drug or some sort of rival group related. They happen daily with increases on the weekends or when we have warmer weather. Check out GVA(gun violence archive),they have the most complete list of mass shootings. Then you have mass killings to sort through as well. These are instances where other weapons were used. 911 and Oklahoma are probably the biggest two but there are many others where vehicles, bombs, fire and other things used. Also you need the definition of a mass shooting or murder. Almost every place now used 3 or more shot or 3 or more killed. At one time the criteria was 4 or more and I think the FBI still uses that number. Not sure who lowered the criteria but it happened sometime around the obama administration. No doubt to increase the numbers to try and impose more gun laws.
I would agree and disagree with Popeye on the mental health statement. I guess you have to have some sort of mental instability to pull the trigger on another human being with self defense being the exception. Most people think of the people who have mental health problem as the people who plan out their attacks, leave a manifesto, post odd stuff online or have been to some sort of counseling and labeled with some sort of mental diagnosis. In reality most are just drug dealers, gang members doing drive-by shootings etc. Like I said they have to be some sort of crazy but not the blathering schizophrenic psycho's that most people think of when you hear about mental health. You also have people who would be normal(sort of) and seemingly "snap" because of a family issue, lost job or something like that and retaliate and kill people related to whatever problem they perceive. You know, the term "going Postal". There is no one way to label all these types of people together, maybe it's just different degree of craziness? You also have terrorist type attacks as well. Think Pulse night club and the guy in NYC several years ago who simply ran people down with a vehicle.
Now onto your question. This is nothing I have looked into being it seems to be a fairly new trend though I'm sure some of the shooters over the years would have fit into this category. You're probably going to have a hard time finding any stats on this and may have to manually sift through every shooting to find ones that fit the trans crowd. All I can say is good luck, it wont be easy. I can almost guarantee you won't find any reliable source that's already broken that down. It would almost be taboo to single them out in some sort of statistical way especially when it comes to violence.
There is also different ways to compile stats. Some will just do the total amount of a certain race while others do it by rate which is the amount compared to their population numbers. they also do this when they do numbers for which states have the most murders. For instance AK is usually at the top or near the top with the highest rate of murder even though they usually have 40 or so murders per year. CA has a rate somewhere in the middle but overall the have the most murder of any state every single year and it's always over 2k per year. Some stats will include DC even though it's not a state. Their murder rate is off the charts and is by far the highest and is usually double or more of whatever ever state comes in at #2. Now back to race and rates. Using the stats that only count the high profile mass shootings(and not every inner city driveby) Asians were the most likely to commit a mass shooting. They only did a small amount but because their population numbers are so small in comparison they had one of the highest rates. If you want to do overall mass shootings African Americans commit the most overall and have the highest rate by far. Like I said above this is counting all of them that happen in Chicago, LA, NYC, Philly etc that are related to drugs, gangs etc.
Lets do weapons now. If you watch the news you would think most if not all happen with the AR-15 or similar type rifle. 100% false Handguns are by far the weapon of choice when it comes to both mass shooting and killings. For a long time VA tech was the biggest mass murder and two handguns were used. Just about any gun can be used in a mass murder, you only need a revolver and know how to use it to commit a mass shooting or mass murder if you wanted to.
The media seems to be pushing the narrative that white Christians with AR-15's are committing the most mass shootings and murders. Again that is false. There have been a lot and certainly more than any of us want to see but if you do overall and by rate they are no where near the top. The other thing they want you to believe is more guns equal more murder. For a long time(20 or so years) our murder rates were dropping and I'm pretty sure gun sales just didn't stop during that time frame. In fact we had record sales because obama was president during much of that time. Our shootings and murder have only recently began to rise again. In my opinion much of it has to do with the defund the police, the light stance on prosecuting crime and just the overall divide of this country in the past 6-7 years. The covid lockdowns I would say is also partially responsible. It seems people are just so much more angry when things opened back up. Have fun with your research.

That makes a lot of sense really.. I think a lot of what you said seems rather accurate tbh.. But after the Nashville shooter in the Christian school that was dubbed trans it just makes me wonder how many more of these folk are connected to previous mass shootings too..

I do know of others that have committed mass shootings such as the suspect that shot down a gay night club.. the Colorado Springs shooter that identified as non-binary, the Denver shooter that identified as trans and the Aberdeen shooter that also identified as trans.. besides the Nashville shooter.

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KeithM

Discussion Starter · #8 · 29 d ago

Popeye said:
Your premise is erroneous.
'White men' are not responsible for the majority of mass murder.
'Trans/non-binary' people are not responsible for the majority of these murders.
Mentally unstable people ARE responsible for the majority of these murders.
Mental instability is not limited to any particular race, color or creed.
Therefore, an argument could be made that the press is responsible for these murders since the press sensationalizes mass murder to advocate a political agenda.

That would be a valid argument that the press would be responsible for a lot of those from happening.. because the more attention something like that gets, it would also inspire copycats to commit the same crimes..

40nascar

· #9 · 27 d ago

Statistically speaking, near 100 percent of murderous shooters are Democrats. That takes in the mentally deranged, the ones who don't know whether or not their a pitcher or catcher, and the ghetto and slum hoodrats.

Problems with crazy people owning firearms can be fixed if People are required to show their voter registration to the Firearm dealer, and recorded on the ATF form 4473.Anyone registered as Democrat will not be allowed to take possession of a firearm.

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KeithM

Discussion Starter · #10 · 26 d ago

40nascar said:
Statistically speaking, near 100 percent of murderous shooters are Democrats. That takes in the mentally deranged, the ones who don't know whether or not their a pitcher or catcher, and the ghetto and slum hoodrats.

Problems with crazy people owning firearms can be fixed if People are required to show their voter registration to the Firearm dealer, and recorded on the ATF form 4473.Anyone registered as Democrat will not be allowed to take possession of a firearm.

That I totally agree with.. democrats are the party of the mentally ill.

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jmf552

· #11 · 26 d ago

KeithM said:
That I totally agree with.. democrats are the party of the mentally ill.

And some of the Republicans...

Huapakechi

· #12 · 25 d ago

Mad Scientist said:
What came first the chicken or the egg?

IMHO, people who are emotionally unstable are routinely given dangerous mind-altering prescription medications to "control" their mental instability.

These same people are being told that they will find happiness, if they change their gender and/or embrace the LQBMICKEYMOUSE+ lifestyle.

Desperate to be happy, many jump into the lie without considering the possible consequences.

After they embrace the trans-lifestyle, most find themselves still unhappy and emotionally broken as before, some even more so. Which sends them off the deep end. Which is why the suicide rate is higher with these groups. Just my 2¢.

Those who embrace that lifestyle are often depressed and it seems the first recourse of the medical community is prescription ssri mood altering chemicals. Unfortunately, those pills can cause or exacerbate the very symptoms they're supposed to treat. Many of the perpetrators of mass shootings had been taking or had recently stopped taking these pills.

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Philmo11

· #13 · 17 d ago

KeithM said:
But from what I’ve gathered, the trans crowd have among the highest suicidal rates, not mainly because they aren’t accepted in society, but because of all the dangerous hormones that they are hopped up on including other factors.

I’d like to know where this assessment was derived from. The statistics on trans suicide rates of 50% or more predate trans movement and hormone mainstream replacement therapies. The truth is, “gender dysphoria” as it has been relabeled, is very closely related to schizophrenia. I’m not talking about the attention getting “trans” culture we have now. I’m talking about actual gender dysphoria. I read a research paper published some years ago, back when this movement started gaining steam. In those cases where schizophrenia was also assessed, as many as 70% of patients were diagnosed with both.

The issue with the study is the number of psychiatrists have been guilty of labeling a patient with gender dysphoria and looking no further. In other words, once a patient was diagnosed with gender dysphoria, patients were never assessed for schizophrenia. Those psychiatrists that did take the extra step showed that those with “gender dysphoria” were up to 400x more likely to also be schizophrenic than the general public. Likewise, more recent studies have concluded that as many as 25% of schizophrenia patients also exhibited “gender dysphoria” disorder.

The point I am making is that the basis for this behavior is deeply rooted in the mental illness itself and less a result of hormone replacement therapy.

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40nascar

· #14 · 17 d ago

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Philmo11

· #15 · 17 d ago

Popeye said:
Your premise is erroneous.
'White men' are not responsible for the majority of mass murder.
'Trans/non-binary' people are not responsible for the majority of these murders.
Mentally unstable people ARE responsible for the majority of these murders.
Mental instability is not limited to any particular race, color or creed.

This is solid reasoning. I would further add that general public "acceptance" of the illness as "normal" further exacerbates the problem. To give an analogy, its the equivalent of handing a noose to a suicidal person and telling them, "your life, your choice" rather than getting them the help they really need. Hence a spike in the suicide rates. They are being encouraged to continue with this nonsense rather than helped. Those that exhibit sane, rational common sense are vilified as extremists.

Popeye said:
Therefore, an argument could be made that the press is responsible for these murders since the press sensationalizes mass murder to advocate a political agenda.

Exactly. "No need to off yourself in the privacy of your own home. If you take a bunch of innocent people with you, we'll put you on the world stage and tell your story". More recently, "celebrate you as the victim."

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Moark Willy

· #16 · 17 d ago

Philmo11 said:
Exactly. "No need to off yourself in the privacy of your own home. If you take a bunch of innocent people with you, we'll put you on the world stage and tell your story". More recently, "celebrate you as the victim."

Unfortunately that is equally sick and true.
And the real tragedy is the the media uses it two fold.....the first fold always as an anti-gun statement.
The rest is just collateral damage to them.

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Philmo11

· #17 · 17 d ago

Moark Willy said:
Unfortunately that is equally sick and true.
And the real tragedy is the the media uses it two fold.....the first fold always as an anti-gun statement.
The rest is just collateral damage to them.

Sickening indeed

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HooPharted

· #18 · 13 d ago

Popeye said:
Your premise is erroneous.
'White men' are not responsible for the majority of mass murder.
'Trans/non-binary' people are not responsible for the majority of these murders.
Mentally unstable people ARE responsible for the majority of these murders.
Mental instability is not limited to any particular race, color or creed.
Therefore, an argument could be made that the press is responsible for these murders since the press sensationalizes mass murder to advocate a political agenda.

so in your theory where/what % does gang killings represent , we all know they have been skewing the numbers for at least a couple decades , its a fact a certain demographic account for 13% of the US population yet are responsible for at a minimum 60% of the countries violent crime

lets be clear , im not a racist , im a registered and enrolled First Nation Native American that grew up in the 60's when we were considered "colored", simply stating the facts outlined by FBI statistics

i find it hard to believe that mental disability could possibly compete with the level of violence that goes on day in and day out , when a white kills 3 its all over the news as a "mass shooting" , when 10-12 are gunned down on a Saturday in Chicago its billed as a weekend of violence , the numbers are not reported accurately , have we been numbed to the fact that there are gangs committing mass murder on a staggering level that we do not even bat an eye , 7 men were killed in the "St Valentines Day Massacre " and that day lives in infamy , yet 12 in Baltimore is a weekend of violence and forgotten by the next day

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Popeye

· #19 · 13 d ago

HooPharted said:
so in your theory where/what % does gang killings represent , we all know they have been skewing the numbers for at least a couple decades , its a fact a certain demographic account for 13% of the US population yet are responsible for at a minimum 60% of the countries violent crime

lets be clear , im not a racist , im a registered and enrolled First Nation Native American that grew up in the 60's when we were considered "colored", simply stating the facts outlined by FBI statistics

i find it hard to believe that mental disability could possibly compete with the level of violence that goes on day in and day out , when a white kills 3 its all over the news as a "mass shooting" , when 10-12 are gunned down on a Saturday in Chicago its billed as a weekend of violence , the numbers are not reported accurately , have we been numbed to the fact that there are gangs committing mass murder on a staggering level that we do not even bat an eye , 7 men were killed in the "St Valentines Day Massacre " and that day lives in infamy , yet 12 in Baltimore is a weekend of violence and forgotten by the next day

Therefore, an argument could be made that the press is responsible for these murders since the press sensationalizes mass murder to advocate a political agenda.

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Philmo11

· #20 · 13 d ago

The largest spike in gang related shootings happened in the 90’s with the rise of gangster rap. Promoted by record labels. Sensationalized by clubs and radio stations. Directed at kids (I know, I was in my late teens and early 20’s during that era). While it has tapered off, it’s still going strong. Poverty driven by the highest level of single motherhood (black women at 76% last I checked) and lowest rate of high school graduates (black males at ~50% last I checked), coupled with dangerous streets in democrat cities keep it alive. That is a complex circular problem that no gun control and no level of background checks are going to solve. The only way to solve this problem is bringing value back to the nuclear family as a social norm.

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