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If neither Venezuela nor Iran had oil or other valuable natural resources, our shadow government would not care what those countries did.
 
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Were Obama still in office, he would have offered a U.S. Navy escort for the tankers!

The problem is that Iran uses revenue to export terrorism, whether it's pallets of cash delivered in the middle of the night from Switzerland as a random payment by Obama (in violation of long-standing US policy) or money from oil exports. It's not just a threat to US lives, Iran's proxy terrorism creates instability and has creates economic instability with global implications.
 

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Venezuela is an example of a failed socialist state, here you have a country that, before Chavez, was one of the riches of Latin American, their citizens, for the most part, had everything and they were a net exporter of oil, now, after Chavez, they are unable to produce sufficient oil for their own use, they still have the oil, but, due to Socialist mismanagement, they are unable to get it out of the ground and process it.

How Chavez got into power in the first place? It have a lot to do with an endemic sickness that affects most, if not all, of Latin American: a strong culture of government corruption, while the Venezuelan elite were enjoying the riches of the country, most average citizens could barely survive, Chavez exploited such divide to become president.

In other words, the cure was worse than the sickness, similar of what we are experiencing with our government corona virus response.
 

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So if Iran did not have oil, but still exported terrorism, we would not care?
There is more to this than just oil
Not only did the USOA's shadow government export terrorism INTO both Iran and Venezuela first, they did it repeatedly and with autonomy "back in the day." (The CIA used to brag about overthrowing Iran the first time for merely six million USD. This was outrageously cheap to them.)

I dare you to research, outside the mass media's cover stories, why we invaded both Iraq (to get Saddam in "Iraq 3.0") as well as Libya (to get Qaddafi). You'll find that both of these men/sovereign leaders had decided to trade THEIR OIL in gold bullion rather than the US dollar. This would have made the USOA impotent as far as the global oil trade goes.

If someone breaks into my home, and I rise up violently to stop him, I am not a terrorist. If he does so and kills my wife, and I go to where he lives and kill him, am I a terrorist then?

I also dare you to research, outside the mass media's cover stories, the real reason American blood was and is being spilled in Afghanistan. We did so in order to protect the poppy fields that provide the vast majority of the world's heroin trade.

I highly encourage you to read fully, the so termed, PNAC 'Manifest.' as well as study out who the PNAC's "think tank" founders and members were prior to our invading ANY Middle East country.

To speak to your inquiry, namely, "So if Iran did not have oil, but still exported terrorism, we would not care?" Yes, if Iran attacks us in any way shape or form I believe we should respond violently as we will have other choice but to do so at this point; however, make no mistake, the people who actually started it are those persons who are really in control and depend on our and our progeny's patriotism in order to carry out their will for the Middle East and the rest of the Sheople of the world. .

It all out there to find if you'll simply look for it.
 

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I do not know if the following is accurate, but, I heard rumors that, when we invaded Iraq, one of the most protected buildings in Iraq by the US forces was headquarters of the oil ministry, I wonder why.....................
 
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Dear tinfoil hat brigade,

No.
Little history lesson first....

USOA says, "They have WMDs!" Iraq says, "Not true." The USOA says, "They are lying and we can prove it!" Iraq asked, "How can you prove it?"

"Just let us look for them," the USOA says.

So we went and looked; however, after over 300 thorough and unencumbered inspections of every conceivable place in Iraq to manufacture either the chemicals for WMDs, or to have the ability to place the chemicals in a delivery system (e.g., bombs, artillery rounds etc.), we found zip, nada, nothing, zero evidence.

So the USOA then says, "Okay, you have no new WMD's or WMD reconstitution program, but ah ha, you support Al Qaeda terrorism!" (Keep in mind the CIA actually created Al Qaeda in order to overthrow Iran as well.)

Even so, despite the teleprompter-in-chief, W. Bush's numerous media appearances advising it was true, neither the CIA nor any other nation's secret "espionage branches" were able to locate one single thing linking Saddam to Al Qaeda. (Again, keep in mind that the CIA created Al Qaeda in the first place.)

Long story short, Saddam wanted to start trading oil in the euro-currency and Qaddafi wanted to start trading it in gold. (Qaddafi had even made plans for a gold coin to be made in his own honor.)

The mass, misinformation media has told so many cover stories trying to disguise the truth, but even so, the truth is out there in black and white for anyone to search it out.


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I have always said that the war on Iraq was driven by two things, First our "President" ( I never voted for the man ) wanted to show his "daddy" that he could do what "Daddy" did not do, and secondly, to take over Iraq oil riches, so Dick Cheney's Halliburton could control the oil . There was no other national security reasons to invade Iraq, in actually was a bad decision due to Hussein, as bad as he was, was a stabilizing force in the middle east.

Like I said in my post, the statement I read somewhere was a rumor, I do not have any proof to the effect and I was hoping for some one to set the facts straight.

And no. I do not have a tin foil hat.
 
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The fabricated invasion of Iraq has nothing to do with Iran selling petroleum products to the country with the world's largest proven oil reserves. Venezuela and Iran are enemies of the United States. If you have any doubts, go to either. Maybe Crazy Old Joe will win in November and then fly pallets of cash into whichever poophole you chose to buy your freedom. Otherwise, put the tinfoil hats back on, take your meds, and go back to your mom's basement.
 

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With this one post you have proven to me that you know next to nothing about Venezuela in general, neither do you know its history with the USOA, nor anything about its natural resources and exploitable commodities.

I guess all you know about Venezuela is what you are supposed to know. Our soon coming global government needs people like you sir.

Anywho...

The fabricated invasion of Iraq has nothing to do with Iran selling petroleum products to the country with the world's largest proven oil reserves. ...
Although it is incorrect, lets go with your attempt at logic to see where your premise will lead us.

Okay, so Iran is selling Iranian (i.e., their own) petroleum products to a country that wants to buy them. Why does or why should the USOA hate this so much as to be willing to spill young Americans' blood by going to war over these sales?

... Venezuela and Iran are enemies of the United States. If you have any doubts, go to either.
Why? Who made them "enemies?"

... Maybe Crazy Old Joe will win in November and then fly pallets of cash into whichever poophole you chose to buy your freedom. ...
Historically to date, the only times we have EVER flown pallets of cash into other countries is when the USOA had an "R" in the White House.

By the way, if we are NOW talking about pallets of cash flown into a country, then you're the one that has just made a perfect correlation between the fabricated attack of Iraq (3.0), Iran, and Venezuela. We flew BILLIONS of dollars into Iraq on pallets between Jen. 21, 2001 and Jan. 21, 2009.

... Otherwise, put the tinfoil hats back on, take your meds, and go back to your mom's basement.
Oh my, I guess that means you win at the internet today. :rolleyes:


(EDITED: Grammar and speelliong mistakes ;)
 

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"Venezuela and Iran are enemies of the United States."
By their own choosing.

"Otherwise, put the tinfoil hats back on, take your meds, and go back to your mom's basement."

Well. let us see, As I have discussed, I do not own a tinfoil hat and I am not planning to get one. I do take medications, mainly for a high blood condition, and vitamins, nothing to do with mental deficiency, and In South Florida there are very few basements, my house does not have one, and since I own it, I sleep in the master bedroom,
This means that you comments do not apply to me.

I think that keeping this discussion in civil way would go a long way.

"Histoircally to date, he only times we have EVER flown pallets of cash into other countries is when the USOA had an "R" in the White House."

You seen to be mistaken sir, Did not Obuma ( A DemocRAT in good standing ) sent a bunch of pallets to Iran as part of the nuclear deal?
 

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I think that keeping this discussion in civil way would go a long way. ...
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"Histoircally to date, he only times we have EVER flown pallets of cash into other countries is when the USOA had an "R" in the White House."

You seen to be mistaken sir, Did not Obuma ( A DemocRAT in good standing ) sent a bunch of pallets to Iran as part of the nuclear deal?
Mea culpa . I stand corrected sir.
 
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With this one post you have proven to me that you know next to nothing about Venezuela in general, neither do you know its history with the USOA, nor anything about its natural resources and exploitable commodities.

I guess all you know about Venezuela is what you are supposed to know. Our soon coming global government needs people like you sir.

Anywho...


Although it is incorrect, lets go with your attempt at logic to see where your premise will lead us.

Okay, so Iran is selling Iranian (i.e., their own) petroleum products to a country that wants to buy them. Why does or why should the USOA hate this so much as to be willing to spill young Americans' blood by going to war over these sales?



Why? Who made them "enemies?"


Historically to date, the only times we have EVER flown pallets of cash into other countries is when the USOA had an "R" in the White House.

By the way, if we are NOW talking about pallets of cash flown into a country, then you're the one that has just made a perfect correlation between the fabricated attack of Iraq (3.0), Iran, and Venezuela. We flew BILLIONS of dollars into Iraq on pallets between Jen. 21, 2001 and Jan. 21, 2009.


Oh my, I guess that means you win at the internet today. :rolleyes:


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I am in the energy industry, spent a decade in the Gulf, have been to Iran, and formerly headed government affairs for a leading global consumer goods company in Latin America,so have dealt extensively with the Chavista governments of Venezuela. I know more than you do. I'm clearly better informed than you are. You are an ill-informed conspiracy whacko, spewing nonsense.

The United States did not destroy Venezuela; Socialists did. The Maduro government has declared the United States an enemy of Venezuela, ergo, Venezuela is an an enemy of the United States. The leaders of Iran ritually chant "death to America" and have launched repeated attacks on U.S. military and diplomatic personnel, U S assets, and US allies. Numerous organs of the Iranian state have been officially declared state sponsors of terror by the U.S. The U.S. does not have diplomatic relations with Iran. Therefore, Iran is an enemy of the United States.

In accordance with the status of Iran and Venezuela, the government of which has been deemed illegitimate following its massive election fraud, as well as arrest, imprisonment, torture, and murder of political opponents, sanctions have been imposed. Indeed, there are US, UN, and other international sanctions in place against both Iran and Venezuela. The interdiction of trade between Iran and Venezuela is the legitimate enforcement of those sanctions.

You are not very bright. You have been informed why you are wrong and why your pseudo-hippy babble is absurd. I have wasted my time doing so because you are likely too addled to understand what I have bothered to explain to you. I do hope you are just an odd little man in your mom's basement trolling internet fora for whatever bizarre reasons the voices in your head conmunicate, because your mental competence to own a firearm is in serious doubt. You are, unfortunately, the type of chap that makes red flag laws seem reasonable.
 

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...I do hope you are just an odd little man in your mom's basement trolling internet fora for whatever bizarre reasons the voices in your head conmunicate, because your mental competence to own a firearm is in serious doubt. You are, unfortunately, the type of chap that makes red flag laws seem reasonable.
You go this route again. Hmmm, I think you are physiologically protecting* here.

* - Psychological Projection: Dealing With Undesirable Emotions

... I am in the energy industry, spent a decade in the Gulf, have been to Iran, and formerly headed government affairs for a leading global consumer goods company in Latin America,so have dealt extensively with the Chavista governments of Venezuela. ...
:ROFLMAO: That's hilarious!
The United States did not destroy Venezuela; Socialists did. The Maduro government has declared the United States an enemy of Venezuela, ergo, Venezuela is an an enemy of the United States. The leaders of Iran ritually chant "death to America" and have launched repeated attacks on U.S. military and diplomatic personnel, U S assets, and US allies. Numerous organs of the Iranian state have been officially declared state sponsors of terror by the U.S. The U.S. does not have diplomatic relations with Iran. Therefore, Iran is an enemy of the United States.
Three words on Venezuela: The Washington Consensus (ca. 1989) Our shadow government did it to them. Learn history.

The USOA has interfered in Venezuela since the late 50's and early 60's. They did so and are doing so just to make billions on Venezuela's natural resources and trying to do this by giving them a "leader" that will in reality be a puppet and stooge to America's reigning oligarchy.

After the what came to be referred to as the Washington Consensus, the people rebelled due to the USOA's influence in Venezuela, and this is what started the animosity from the USOA towards the country. We keep doing the same thing over and over. We used to blame it on the spread of communism, now we blame it on terrorism/terrorists, but regardless of the contrived "enemy of America," we keep doing the same things the same way.

While I wholly oblige ignorance, only a FOOL and IDIOT would not be able to read through history and figure this stuff out.

Even still, if you are on the side of companies like Halliburton etcetera in the Middle East, then I fully understand your vitriol at certain countries that are not kowtowing to the USOA as they, if I am to believe your entire diatribe, which I do not, are stopping you and those like you from banking a lot of profit from the stolen resources of another country/nation.

... In accordance with the status of Iran and Venezuela, the government of which has been deemed illegitimate following its massive election fraud, as well as arrest, imprisonment, torture, and murder of political opponents, sanctions have been imposed. Indeed, there are US, UN, and other international sanctions in place against both Iran and Venezuela. The interdiction of trade between Iran and Venezuela is the legitimate enforcement of those sanctions.
If the USOA had the very same sanctions placed against it, do you not think we would fight back?

Who makes these sanctions legal? ("Because we said so!" Right?)
... You are not very bright. ...
146 on my last IQ test. (~20 years ago)
... You have been informed why you are wrong and why your pseudo-hippy babble is absurd. I have wasted my time doing so because you are likely too addled to understand what I have bothered to explain to you. ...
Informed? -LOL- You made patently unsubstantiated claims, which are at best anecdotal, and at worst pure fabrications.

Wasted time? Yes, I agree, both of ours.

... I do hope you are just an odd little man in your mom's basement trolling internet fora for whatever bizarre reasons the voices in your head conmunicate, because your mental competence to own a firearm is in serious doubt. You are, unfortunately, the type of chap that makes red flag laws seem reasonable.
"Thou doth protest too much, methinks"
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Edit to add: Do you also deny the PNAC "Manifest" exist and or deny who the authors of it were?
 
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