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The US supreme court is to rule next year on Americans' right to possess guns, the first time the country's highest judges have reviewed the law in almost 70 years. The nine judges are being asked to choose between Washington, which has had a handgun ban in place since 1976, and a courthouse security guard who claims the right to have a handgun in his home, in a high-crime area, to protect his family.

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The ruling is almost certain to have an impact on gun laws throughout the country.
The security guard, Dick Heller, said: "I want to be able to defend myself and my wife from violent criminals, and the constitution says I have a right to do that by keeping a gun in my home. The police can't be everywhere, and they can't protect everyone all the time."

But the mayor of Washington, Adrian Fenty, said the city council had "enacted the handgun ban more than 30 years ago to reduce handgun violence". It had saved many lives since then.

Washington has the toughest restrictions in the US, but the ban only applies to handguns - residents can still keep shotguns and rifles at home.

The court decision to review the issue, announced on Tuesday, follows an appeals court ruling earlier this year that Washington's handgun ban is illegal.

The supreme court ruling will go to the centre of the debate between those who claim the US constitution enshrines the right of individuals to bear arms and those who say the founders' intentions were that this should apply only to states and their militias. The second amendment, adopted in 1791, says: "A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

The supreme court is scheduled to hear the case in March and is expected to issue its ruling in June.

The court currently has a rightward tilt, in part because of President George Bush's appointees, although the balance is held by Justice Anthony Kennedy. While essentially a conservative, Kennedy is occasionally capable of surprise decisions.
 

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the mayor of Washington, Adrian Fenty, said the city council had "enacted the handgun ban more than 30 years ago to reduce handgun violence". It had saved many lives since then.

It is interesting how the majority of the minority politicians usually embrace the Socialist Party Agenda! That has got to scare the pants off of smart people! :eek: :eek:
 

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the mayor of Washington, Adrian Fenty, said the city council had "enacted the handgun ban more than 30 years ago to reduce handgun violence". It had saved many lives since then.
BWAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAA! Are you kidding me? That jackass of a mayor had the nerve to say that? The only reason DC isn't considered the per capita murder capital of the country is because it is not an incorporated city and doesn't get counted! I'll be the FBI annual crime statistics would differ with hizz dishonor. Oh what....that has to do with thier truth....socialists only believe in their brand of truth.

SOCTUS is reportedly planning on giving their opionion in July. I do not know what we can do to sway the supremes, I do not know if letter writing does anything with them, but we need to do something.....I for one will be biting my nails until they make the announcement.
 

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A letter writing campaign would be a waste of time. They don't respond to that type of thing. All I know is that the antis are out there begging for bucks and we are going to have to do what we can for the NRA/ILA, and such. I also think that if the petty sniping that I've heard between the major pro-gun orgs continues, we don't have a chance in hell.

Like it or not, this is the best chance in a very long time to make a tangible difference in how the Second Amendment is construed. Sure, we all know what it stands for and that the RKBA is an individual right, but just wait until the Brady Bunch roll out their million-dollar shysters.

I testified three times before the NM legislature, over a five-year period, while we were trying to get a CCW bill passed in this state. Each time I followed a guy from some "We Wanna Save The Po'Chil'len" Organization. Each time he spewed lies about how many kids are killed in America "each and every day" and how "more guns equal more crime" and "cops will die" and so on and so forth, and how, if NM allows concealed carry, we would be counting corpses. The S.O.B. had absolutely NO shame about the BS dripping from his mouth. Yet to look at the eyes of the legislators to whom we were each testifying, you'd think they were listening to Jesus on the Mount.

All I'm trying to say is that the Gunrunner family is verrrry careful about where our donations to "good causes" go. This year they will go to NRA/ILA. Not because I'm thrilled with them or their incessant fund raising and their phone calls at dinner time, but because they are effective.
 

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A letter writing campaign would be a waste of time. They don't respond to that type of thing. All I know is that the antis are out there begging for bucks and we are going to have to do what we can for the NRA/ILA, and such. I also think that if the petty sniping that I've heard between the major pro-gun orgs continues, we don't have a chance in hell.

Like it or not, this is the best chance in a very long time to make a tangible difference in how the Second Amendment is construed. Sure, we all know what it stands for and that the RKBA is an individual right, but just wait until the Brady Bunch roll out their million-dollar shysters.

I testified three times before the NM legislature, over a five-year period, while we were trying to get a CCW bill passed in this state. Each time I followed a guy from some "We Wanna Save The Po'Chil'len" Organization. Each time he spewed lies about how many kids are killed in America "each and every day" and how "more guns equal more crime" and "cops will die" and so on and so forth, and how, if NM allows concealed carry, we would be counting corpses. The S.O.B. had absolutely NO shame about the BS dripping from his mouth. Yet to look at the eyes of the legislators to whom we were each testifying, you'd think they were listening to Jesus on the Mount.

All I'm trying to say is that the Gunrunner family is verrrry careful about where our donations to "good causes" go. This year they will go to NRA/ILA. Not because I'm thrilled with them or their incessant fund raising and their phone calls at dinner time, but because they are effective.

I agree! But it is amazing how the anti-NRA shrills have taken over some of the major gun forums. I sometimes wonder if they are not Brady folks planted to create disention among the troops! They go ballistic when I challenge them and discount their so called logical trip about the NRA selling gun owners down the river.

Test it yourself! Go to the big guy forums and post a thread about the NRA being the major supporter of the second amendment and watch the anti-NRA shrills come out of the woodwork and attack! funny thing is most of the NRA supporters lose their balls and will not support your position.

I too think all the gun and hunting groups need to join hands to save our gun rights. As we have watched country after country dilute gun ownership rights or outlaw them completely we better wake up and realize it will happen here also unless we become a major political player.

There are 80 million gun owners in the USA. Not even 10% belong to groups that support the second amendment. That does not spell success in my book! :eek: :eek: :eek: Wake up America!
 

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Exactly, Sig. Y'know, I may not be the sharpest crayon in the box of 64, but when Algore said that the NRA was a major factor in costing the Dems the House in '94, that's about the best endorsement the NRA could ever get. I mean, hell, that was like Rosie O'WahWah endorsing Sara Lee! Even Algore tiptoed around NRA during the 2000 election, if you noticed.

I've read the flames against the NRA in all the "biggies", as you said, and really wonder what some gun owners expect from the organization. As I said, I'm not 100% totally enamored of them, but Jeez' there are not a hell of a lot of outfits that do please me 100%. Your speculation that the Antis place ringers in different forums may be well founded in fact -- I wish it could be proved.
 

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Are Our Second Amendment Rights Hanging On A Comma?

From PoliticalMavens.com ( http://politicalmavens.com/index.php/20 ... nt-commas/ ):

Washington, D.C. Mayor Adrian M. Fenty made good on his vow to contest the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia ruling that the city’s 1976 handgun ban is unconstitutional, because the Second Amendment applies to individuals as well as to militias - and the Supreme Court is now considering whether to take up the issue of what the Founding Fathers meant by these words: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
Should the high court decide to grant review, Legal Times reports that its ruling may not hinge on the actual words comprising the Second Amendment, but to the commas that separate those words into clauses:
* Another suddenly intense debate is enveloping the case - this one over what all those commas in the Second Amendment meant in late 18th-century America.

* It may sound way beyond trivial, but it’s not: The grammar war is under way.

* You can blame the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit for igniting this esoteric debate. It ruled on March 9 that because of the Second Amendment’s second comma, the first half of the amendment - the militia half - is basically a throat-clearing preface that does not qualify the individual right to bear arms that the second half protects.

* Judge Laurence Silberman, who wrote the 2-1 decision, went on to conclude that the district’s handgun ban violates that individual right.

Some grammarians believe that commas were often used to signal a breath pause for orators – which means there would be more of them than would be used today, and that they may not necessarily mean anything. Others argue that the commas divide the sentence into dependent and independent clauses – the trouble is there is sharp disagreement over which clause is dependent and which is independent.

Complicating matters even further the Second Amendment is a comma chameleon: The version that Congress approved in 1789 had three commas, while several states ratified a two-comma version.

The Stiletto shudders to think that her Second Amendment rights are dependent on the placement of a comma – especially considering what’s going on in Venezuela these days.
 

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Punctuation is important.
 

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Opposing lawyers will use any legal trick to put a twisted spin on the truth! If the history of the creation of the second amendment is examined and all the papers written by the founders are examined the intent is very clear. But of course, they will not want that information brought into the discussion.

Its really all about supporting an agenda, not getting at the truth. Our founding fathers had excellent insight into the future, knowing that the English thinking would rear its ugly head again at some point. Thats the only reason for a second amendment in the first place, if it was the intent to give over the control of firearms to government the amendment would never been added.

Many of the reasons for the "Boston Tea Party" in the first place are back with us again. Oppressive Taxation, Firearms Control, Restrictions on Religious Freedom and Intrusion by government in our Homes is a reality today at some level. Big government is dangerous, as it grows more tentacles the creation of regulation and new laws grows at an accelerating rate each year!
Its almost like a one celled amoeba, it protects itself and feeds off surrounding resources!
 
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