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http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local-beat/Cops-Set-Up-Woman-After-Crash.html

A cop's dashboard camera is supposed to catch criminals in the act. For four Hollywood cops, the dash cam may have foiled their plans to frame a motorist.

The four police officers -- three of them longtime veterans of the force -- were caught on one of the cop's dash cameras plotting to place the blame for a February traffic accident on a woman one of them had hit with their patrol car. The disturbing video shows the woman, Alexandra Torrensvilas, handcuffed in the back of the squad car as the officers get their stories straight on what they are going to say happened.

Officer Joel Francisco, 36, an 11-year veteran, crashed into the back of Torrensvilas' vehicle at a light on February 17 at midnight. The cop radioed to other officers who converged on the scene and hatched a way to bail Francisco out.

Officer Dewey Pressley, 42, arrives and questions Torrensvilas, who tells him that she has been drinking. The 21-year veteran officer seizes the opportunity and arrests her for DUI. But the plot thickens from there.

The cops begin to brainstorm believable excuses for the accident.

"As far as I'm concerned. I'm going to put words in his mouth. She went to accelerate and a cat jumped out of the window at which point he thought it could have been a pedestrian, which distracted him," Pressley tells Sgt. Andrew Diaz, another veteran of the force. "I mean what's the chances of hitting a f---in drunk when a cat jumps out of the window?"

Still, the cops run with the half-baked idea and rush to get Torrensvilas to do a Breathalyzer test so they can officially say she was drunk.

"I nailed her on the video. I already hung her on video. She said she has been doing a beer party," Pressley says. "She's gonna blow."

Then, another cop debates with Pressley on who is going to write up the fabricated report to clear their police comrade.

"I know how I'm going to word this with the cat so we can get him off the hook. I'll write the narrative," Pressley says. "We're going to bend this a little bit."

Civilian Community Service Officer Karim Thomas joins the three senior officers and the four cops go so far as to change the angle of pictures of the accident to make it look like Torrensvilas swerved in front of the cop car and caused the accident, not Francisco.

Throughout the tape, the cops acknowledged what they are doing is illegal, but when you are the law, there is nothing wrong with bending it for a fellow cop, one says.

"I don't lie and make things up ever because it's wrong, but if I need to bend it a little bit to protect a cop, I'll do it," Pressley tells Francisco after reassuring him no one will ever find out. "She's freaking hammered anyway."

The cops even do a final rehearsal before Villa is taken to the city lock up.

"We'll take care of it," one officer says. The others reply: "We're good."

The police officers are currently on administrative leave pending a state attorney's office investigation. Torrensvilas, who was charged with four counts of DUI and cited for improper lane change, is still fighting the charges in court.
 
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Please don't equate a few idiot cops with the majority of good cops. Thats like saying because you know a KKK member who is white, that all white people are racist.
 

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The four police officers -- three of them longtime veterans of the force

Officer Joel Francisco, 36, an 11-year veteran

Officer Dewey Pressley, 42, a 21-year veteran officer

Sgt. Andrew Diaz, another veteran of the force

Civilian Community Service Officer Karim Thomas joins the three senior officers

The police officers are currently on administrative leave pending a state attorney's office investigation.

Torrensvilas, who was charged with four counts of DUI and cited for improper lane change, is still fighting the charges in court.

This is institutionalized!
 
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LEO will do and say almost anything if one of their own is in legal danger. Very few would refuse to participate. Serpico told the truth, and got shot in the face for his trouble. I have family in LE, and they can't dispute this with a straight face. But they TRY!

This is not a LE problem, it is a human problem. Humans will abuse their power. There are two kinds of LEOs. There are those who have a calling, and those who want to carry a gun and have power over their fellow man. The bad ones are probably in the minority, but my brother tells me that many good cops will shade toward the dark side as their careers go on. He can't look me in the eye and say he would not lie to protect a fellow officer as depicted in this story.

But what to do about it? We need the police,and even the bad ones keep our society from bedlam. Power corrupts, and familiarity breeds contempt. But even the worst, most corrupt LEO, will charge into danger, as citizens flee.
 
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Honestly...if you are out with someone every day, and have to trust them to protect your life, guard your back when you're being shot at, etc... I can certainly understand wanting to help that guy out. After all, who knows when you might be in a situation where you need help from that guy?

I'm not saying framing someone is right, because it is certainly wrong, and there's no excuse for trying to make an innocent person pay for a crime they didn't commit, but I can certainly understand wanting to help out your fellow officer, its just a shame these guys decided to "bend" the laws to do it. After all, if a guy is an 11 year veteran, I can't think his punishment would be TOO severe for an accidental fender bender.
 

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http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local-beat/Cops-Set-Up-Woman-After-Crash.html

A cop's dashboard camera is supposed to catch criminals in the act. For four Hollywood cops, the dash cam may have foiled their plans to frame a motorist.

The four police officers -- three of them longtime veterans of the force -- were caught on one of the cop's dash cameras plotting to place the blame for a February traffic accident on a woman one of them had hit with their patrol car. The disturbing video shows the woman, Alexandra Torrensvilas, handcuffed in the back of the squad car as the officers get their stories straight on what they are going to say happened.

Officer Joel Francisco, 36, an 11-year veteran, crashed into the back of Torrensvilas' vehicle at a light on February 17 at midnight. The cop radioed to other officers who converged on the scene and hatched a way to bail Francisco out.

Officer Dewey Pressley, 42, arrives and questions Torrensvilas, who tells him that she has been drinking. The 21-year veteran officer seizes the opportunity and arrests her for DUI. But the plot thickens from there.

The cops begin to brainstorm believable excuses for the accident.

"As far as I'm concerned. I'm going to put words in his mouth. She went to accelerate and a cat jumped out of the window at which point he thought it could have been a pedestrian, which distracted him," Pressley tells Sgt. Andrew Diaz, another veteran of the force. "I mean what's the chances of hitting a f---in drunk when a cat jumps out of the window?"

Still, the cops run with the half-baked idea and rush to get Torrensvilas to do a Breathalyzer test so they can officially say she was drunk.

"I nailed her on the video. I already hung her on video. She said she has been doing a beer party," Pressley says. "She's gonna blow."

Then, another cop debates with Pressley on who is going to write up the fabricated report to clear their police comrade.

"I know how I'm going to word this with the cat so we can get him off the hook. I'll write the narrative," Pressley says. "We're going to bend this a little bit."

Civilian Community Service Officer Karim Thomas joins the three senior officers and the four cops go so far as to change the angle of pictures of the accident to make it look like Torrensvilas swerved in front of the cop car and caused the accident, not Francisco.

Throughout the tape, the cops acknowledged what they are doing is illegal, but when you are the law, there is nothing wrong with bending it for a fellow cop, one says.

"I don't lie and make things up ever because it's wrong, but if I need to bend it a little bit to protect a cop, I'll do it," Pressley tells Francisco after reassuring him no one will ever find out. "She's freaking hammered anyway."

The cops even do a final rehearsal before Villa is taken to the city lock up.

"We'll take care of it," one officer says. The others reply: "We're good."

The police officers are currently on administrative leave pending a state attorney's office investigation. Torrensvilas, who was charged with four counts of DUI and cited for improper lane change, is still fighting the charges in court.
I think that there are more politicians, teachers, fireman, and businessmen going to jail than cops, but the news loves to slam cops whenever they get the chance. These cops were stupid but it shouldn't reflect on all of law enforcement
 

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Coach & BKJohnson,

I hear you loud and clear but the words ring hollow. Having seen that sort of behavior and worse, I can say that it disgusts me even more than crooked politicians. Politicians don't have guns and don't usually beat the crap out of people whom they don't like...at least not physically.

If those cops, those VETERAN cops would cook up a story to bail out their buddy, what else would they do? Would they conspire to bail out another cop after a bad shoot? Would they harass the ex-husband/wife of a fellow officer? Maybe rough him up a bit and claim s/he resisted arrest? I've seen that and worse, just in the couple of small departments that I worked for, years ago.

No, I don't make generalizations. I know that by a huge majority LEOs are the best this country has to offer. That's why it's especially important that pukes such as these four are added to the legions of Americans who are looking for other gainful employment. That 99% majority doesn't need the likes of these criminals, dragging down their reputation and impugning their credibility.

...by the way, would YOU hire them?
 
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"The police officers are currently on administrative leave pending a state attorney's office investigation."
Why? Their guilt is beyond doubt. The camera and recorders do not lie. Why are they not fired and facing charges in court?



"Torrensvilas, who was charged with four counts of DUI and cited for improper lane change, is still fighting the charges in court."

Once again, why? Tainted evidence! Nothing these officers say/said can be believed.
 

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Coach & BKJohnson,

I hear you loud and clear but the words ring hollow. Having seen that sort of behavior and worse, I can say that it disgusts me even more than crooked politicians. Politicians don't have guns and don't usually beat the crap out of people whom they don't like...at least not physically.

If those cops, those VETERAN cops would cook up a story to bail out their buddy, what else would they do? Would they conspire to bail out another cop after a bad shoot? Would they harass the ex-husband/wife of a fellow officer? Maybe rough him up a bit and claim s/he resisted arrest? I've seen that and worse, just in the couple of small departments that I worked for, years ago.

No, I don't make generalizations. I know that by a huge majority LEOs are the best this country has to offer. That's why it's especially important that pukes such as these four are added to the legions of Americans who are looking for other gainful employment. That 99% majority doesn't need the likes of these criminals, dragging down their reputation and impugning their credibility.

...by the way, would YOU hire them?
No, I think they should get what they deserve. My faith in cops and the system started to take a dive about 10 years ago as I was closing in on my final years of the job. Then 9/11 happened and made me see the good in police again. Yeah there were the greedy ones then also, but most of the guys did what they had to do and then some as we know. The people loved us then. They would clap and thank us when we drove by for the rest of of 2001, but the memories of what was done on 9/11 was short lived, and now it's business as usual again. I guess I have mixed feelings about cops, and it's a shame what those Florida cops did. I was pro cop and would go out on a limb to stick together and support each other, but some of them just went way too far. Some ex friends of mine who liked to bend the elbow and wave their badges pulled a capper late one night when they basically screwed a guy and then laughed about it for weeks. Behind the laughter I think were was some guilt that they kept trying to drink away. Don't really know what to think of the job anymore. Now I just look at it as a chapter gone by and turned the page. I guess cops are just people like anyone else. No better and no worse! My advice to the new guys on the job now is that they should put thier ego's aside, have a little common sense, compassion, and understanding of the people that they serve, and just realize that the job is to serve others rather than themselves.
 

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thing is, if the just told the truth they probably wouldn't have had any problems - at least, none that are even remotely close to this level of seriousness.

I agree with Magman 100%. Police tear up cars all the time in their line of work. The one might have got a little time off for that and could have gone on with his life. Now they all got a big problem. So far as the women, test would have showed if she was drunk or not. The charges would still stand.
 

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LEO will do and say almost anything if one of their own is in legal danger. Very few would refuse to participate. Serpico told the truth, and got shot in the face for his trouble. I have family in LE, and they can't dispute this with a straight face. But they TRY!

This is not a LE problem, it is a human problem. Humans will abuse their power. There are two kinds of LEOs. There are those who have a calling, and those who want to carry a gun and have power over their fellow man. The bad ones are probably in the minority, but my brother tells me that many good cops will shade toward the dark side as their careers go on. He can't look me in the eye and say he would not lie to protect a fellow officer as depicted in this story.

But what to do about it? We need the police,and even the bad ones keep our society from bedlam. Power corrupts, and familiarity breeds contempt. But even the worst, most corrupt LEO, will charge into danger, as citizens flee.
Serpico was a rat! What good did he really do? He was half a wackadoo himself, and was always looking for attention. The police culture definitely has issues that need cleansing, but it's a complex situation that shouldn't be taken on by an officer that you work with on the street. There's a time and place for everything, but ratting on the guys that you work with is not the right way IMO. I was on that job and I was about as straight as you could get. I quickly learned the complexities and complications of not having trust among fellow officers. I could of turned rat very early in my career, but I wouldn't of been able to go on and do all the good things that I did for the public during my career. I didn't like and agree with everyone I worked with, but we did have trust. Sometimes finding a compatible unit was tricky, and you might need a few transfers until you found your niche. If I didn't like the guys or didn't agree with their ways, I looked for a different unit. He burned street cops rather than top brass. I just think that he should of became IAD and went after the bad cops from the top down rather than working side by side and then snitching. He was a rat in my book!! A culture problem is not corrected by spontaneously sacrificing a few guys on the bottom to make it look like you cleaned house. Brewster is right that 99% of the guys will do the right thing when duty calls, but the job cannot function without trust. I guess it's like the military. It would probably be hard to be a soldier if you had to worry every time you dealt with the enemy if your fellow soldier was going to police you.
 

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Serpico was a rat! What good did he really do? He was half a wackadoo himself, and was always looking for attention. The police culture definitely has issues that need cleansing, but it's a complex situation that shouldn't be taken on by an officer that you work with on the street. There's a time and place for everything, but ratting on the guys that you work with is not the right way IMO. I was on that job and I was about as straight as you could get. I quickly learned the complexities and complications of not having trust among fellow officers. I could of turned rat very early in my career, but I wouldn't of been able to go on and do all the good things that I did for the public during my career. I didn't like and agree with everyone I worked with, but we did have trust. Sometimes finding a compatible unit was tricky, and you might need a few transfers until you found your niche. If I didn't like the guys or didn't agree with their ways, I looked for a different unit. He burned street cops rather than top brass. I just think that he should of became IAD and went after the bad cops from the top down rather than working side by side and then snitching. He was a rat in my book!! A culture problem is not corrected by spontaneously sacrificing a few guys on the bottom to make it look like you cleaned house. Brewster is right that 99% of the guys will do the right thing when duty calls, but the job cannot function without trust. I guess it's like the military. It would probably be hard to be a soldier if you had to worry every time you dealt with the enemy if your fellow soldier was going to police you.
Y'know, I am really ambivalent on this subject. Lawlessness by some police being balanced somewhat by our perceived need for police. But when a sworn officer uses criminal slang, words like "rat" to describe any officer who takes his oath to uphold the law too seriously, you guys move nobody toward your cause. If you see a cop ruining the life of a citizen and do nothing because you feel a kinship to John Gotti's code of honor, citizens like myself are not going to be drawn closer to your cause.

Really now, there is too much of an "us vs. them" scenario already between citizens and the police. Using gangster slang only makes it worse.
 

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If police officers, all of them, do not first police themselves they are nothing but just another criminal gang. It sounds as if they do not police themselves.
 

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Y'know, I am really ambivalent on this subject. Lawlessness by some police being balanced somewhat by our perceived need for police. But when a sworn officer uses criminal slang, words like "rat" to describe any officer who takes his oath to uphold the law too seriously, you guys move nobody toward your cause. If you see a cop ruining the life of a citizen and do nothing because you feel a kinship to John Gotti's code of honor, citizens like myself are not going to be drawn closer to your cause.

Really now, there is too much of an "us vs. them" scenario already between citizens and the police. Using gangster slang only makes it worse.

A rat is guy who violates trust among co-workers for the sole purpose of advancing him or herself at the expense of someone who they had trust with. I'm not talking about covering up for cops that are criminals. When a cop commits a crime then they're not a cop in my book, and I'd have no problem locking him/her up myself. Ratting in the police world will result in lesser quality public service from police agencies, because officers will be hestitant to use discretion out of fear that their fellow officers will sell out (TURN RAT) at every opportunity to advance themselves. Cops do need to trust each other, and if you wanna clean house, I'm with you, but let's start with the big fat rats at the top, not the guy who takes a cup of coffee. And BTW, I didn't take free coffee or other gratuities. As far as the term "rats", they are what they are! Most of the RATS that I knew where the biggest hypocrites that had no problem taking care of themselves, but loved the opportunity to advance themselves at others expense when the opportunity came up.
 

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Let's see here. If a police officer busts another cop for doing a crime and the reason he does it is for personal advancement, he is a RAT.

If a police officer busts a citizen for doing a crime and the reason he does it is because its his job, its okay.

Do I have it right?
 

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If police officers, all of them, do not first police themselves they are nothing but just another criminal gang. It sounds as if they do not police themselves.
Police are sworn to protect life and property, and are required to make arrests for crimes when possible. This does not include snitching, ratting or tattle tailing, on your fellow officers for minor ever day BS. IAD, the DA, and the prosecutors take care of all of that.
 

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I was pulled over 2 weeks ago buy a state trooper. I was ticketed for doing 59 in a 50 mph zone. Yes I was speeding but I had just picked up my wifes new car from the dealer. I wasnt used to the car and it got away from me.

I happened to have my nephew with me who is on the job and i just picked him up from the airport after picking up the car. We get pulled over and I politely ask the cop if he could give me a brake as i have not had a ticket or accident in 12 years.

My nephew asked the cop if he would extend the courtesy to another LEO and give me a brake. He told him to put his badge away, he said that he wasnt driving so why would he give me a brake. I explained to him that i have a CDL and would appreciate a ticket without points nope the POS writes me for speeding. Man I hope my nephew gets to return him or his family the favor!!
 

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This does not include snitching, ratting or tattle tailing, on your fellow officers for minor ever day BS. IAD, the DA, and the prosecutors take care of all of that.
There's an interesting choice of words. If this "minor everyday BS" is a crime as defined by the law, then it is not "minor" and is only "everyday" because of corruption in the police force. It definitely isn't "BS".

Yes. Asking for a "pass" when caught speeding or asking for a discount (backed by the badge) at a store is corruption. Its relatively minor corruption but its corruption nonetheless. And, as such, invariably leads to greater corruption.

It is quite similar to the problems we have with elected (and appointed) politicians today.
 
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