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You have the right to keep and bear arms but you must provide your own firearms unless maybe we should have free universal firearms?
I've heard of some towns where you're required to own a gun and if you can't afford one the town will buy one for you. You would have to show that you're not able to financially able to afford a gun though.
 

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I've heard of some towns where you're required to own a gun and if you can't afford one the town will buy one for you. You would have to show that you're not able to financially able to afford a gun though.
I have heard of a small city ( Population around 30,000) in Georgia ( Keenesaw )were such ordinance exist, but, can you list any other towns.cities were this is the case?
 

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I've heard of some towns where you're required to own a gun and if you can't afford one the town will buy one for you. You would have to show that you're not able to financially able to afford a gun though.
Yes it's a law and it's also not enforced in any way shape or form. It's more of a statement for the second amendment(and criminals) than anything. Like friend said, it's just one small town that i know of.
 
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Agree!(y) Also believe that if a right is not identified in the Constitutiom (YET),it still exists.
e.g. healthcare
I think you are confusing "rights" and "entitlements." Rights are things you should be able to do that no government, or anyone else, should be able prevent you from doing. Rights are not services or handouts the government "owes you."

We can decide as a society that we are going to entitle everyone to healthcare, that's a choice, but it is not a right. Healthcare costs money, and lots of it. Some of us work hard to provide ourselves healthcare. Some of us don't want to pay for healthcare for people who don't. And I say that as having been an hourly worker and a freelancer without a health plan, as well as working for companies with health plans.
 

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You have the right to aquire healthcare. You do not have the so-called right to have the government provide it... unless you're a disabled veteran. In that case, you earned it.
 
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Your preaching to the choir here. This info needs to be posted on liberals message boards.
he would be torn apart with words and death threats, . saying that in anything remotely like this at ALT left leaning. I know I did in daily Kos when sticking up for the NRA.

But whether it was god that gave us these rights not so much. It was rights recognized by man to prevent abuse by the government and other men. As those abuses came to light and recognized. Thus more bill of rights are added. Or modified as times pass.
 

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:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

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And yet many people who claim to be for the right to keep and bear arms don't understand its true purpose, and the true purpose of the entire BOR, how it doesn't grant rights but identifies rights that are granted by a higher power. At least that's my experience with my own observations on people who claim to be in the "gun crowd."

The conclusion that I've come to is that arguing with the anti 2A liberals is pointless, its like talking to a brick wall. But the thing is, we don't have to. Its up to us if we want to restore and maintain our right to keep and bear arms.
you are aware the original pledge of allegiance did not have "under god" in it? (I can't remember what year it was actually added in). Also separation of church and state? The point is Man was abusing the churches power to claim it was ordained by god, when it was really ordained by common man who recognized that we were fallable. and that we make mistakes and made it so we can change mistakes so as NOT to live forever with said mistakes.

THe bill of rights is exclusive contract between government and its people. and the limits government had on the people. The proverbial line in the sand the government shall not cross to infringe on the rights of its citizens.

Those rights are NOT inalienable. For there is a process in which those rights can be modified. Like through the convention of states.

Its the majority of society that decides what these rights are for it takes a majority to pass the convention of states. So the people needing to be convinced are those sitting on the fence. which I personally believe is the majority of Americans.

The problem is the ALT left have manipulated the naration and redefined the recognized terminology of the subject of 2A. To manipulate the people still sitting on the fence. What we need to do is educate the ignorant fence sitters. And avoid the political redorict. Like explain why the big evil black gun is not more dangerous than the long arm hunting guns etc.
 

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You have the right to aquire healthcare. You do not have the so-called right to have the government provide it... unless you're a disabled veteran. In that case, you earned it.
read my reply to gun nerd in regards to right of health care. it has to do with convention of states and its the majority that decides what right you have and don't have. In other words today your statement is right. but in 3 years that could change.
 

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Rights cannot granted by government. Rights cannot be removed by government. They may not be recognized by government via legal perversion but they continue to exist.
 

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Rights cannot granted by government. Rights cannot be removed by government. They may not be recognized by government via legal perversion but they continue to exist.
then you need to read up on the convention of states and how that process works. you will hopefully realize that rights are subjective to interpretation. which is the reason for all the fighting about it in the first place.

These rights can be changed it is just very difficult to do it and it does not happen often. Thus we short lived people don't realize this because we may not have been around for the last change to happen. Nor will the last change be the last change.

Now on the other hand human rights are inalienable because without these rights we die. like right to clean air right to water, food, shelter , medicine. etc.

by the way it has been awhile popeye :p
 

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Calling something a right doesn't make it a right.

These rights can be changed it is just very difficult to do it and it does not happen often. Thus we short lived people don't realize this because we may not have been around for the last change to happen. Nor will the last change be the last change.

Now on the other hand human rights are inalienable because without these rights we die. like right to clean air right to water, food, shelter , medicine. etc.

by the way it has been awhile popeye :p
Those are not rights either. Clean air, water, food, shelter, medicine, healthcare, etc. are not rights. We only have the right to try to acquire those things.

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Calling something a right doesn't make it a right.



Those are not rights either. Clean air, water, food, shelter, medicine, healthcare, etc. are not rights. We only have the right to try to acquire those things.

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wag those are defined as human rights around the world . the things absolutely necessary to survive. I didn't even make the list.
 

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Recognized around the world? By whom? Recognized and enforced by what governments?
 
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I am not going to waste my time now trying to track down information from years ago, most content is not on the internet that long. . UN was one of them when we were leading it. along with most of the first world and many second world.

Before obama and clinton.
 

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wag those are defined as human rights around the world . the things absolutely necessary to survive. I didn't even make the list.
You're still trying to force a definition that doesn't exist. Again, calling a thing a right doesn't make it a right. You don't even have the "right" to survive, only to work toward survival.

It sounds like you're about to say that other socialist empires around the world are giving away free healthcare and free incomes and free housing and free this, that or the other and that because they do so, those are rights by definition.

Not remotely.

And by the way, those are the same countries which deny their citizens the rights to self defense, free speech and other things which ARE actually rights.

You're so caught up in your own situation that you're struggling to figure out a way to take away what others have earned by force in order to relieve your own suffering. Or, if not by force, than by a guilt trip of some kind. But what really needs to happen that people should give if they want to and not by force or tax or any other imposition.

Make no mistake, the suffering of others is truly unfortunate and it truly makes my heart go out to those who hurt. Nevertheless, I give where I can and that should be my choice, not yours, not anyone else's.

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I am not going to waste my time now trying to track down information from years ago, most content is not on the internet that long. . UN was one of them when we were leading it. along with most of the first world and many second world.

Before obama and clinton.
While I was typing my previous reply, you posted this but you contradict yourself. If it's worth making the assertion, it's worth supporting it and yes, if it's truth, what you say (it's not, but if it is) you'll be able to find support for it out there. And certainly, it wouldn't be a "waste of time." Your comments are trollish and unsupported, unconscionable among thinking, free people.

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While I was typing my previous reply, you posted this but you contradict yourself. If it's worth making the assertion, it's worth supporting it and yes, if it's truth, what you say (it's not, but if it is) you'll be able to find support for it out there. And certainly, it wouldn't be a "waste of time." Your comments are trollish and unsupported, unconscionable among thinking, free people.

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Quite frankly I hate socialists they kill people like me for not being able to conform to their ideals. my comments are not trollish. they are simply of different perspective. not left or right. the view of a minority.
 

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Quite frankly I hate socialists they kill people like me for not being able to conform to their ideals. my comments are not trollish. they are simply of different perspective. not left or right. the view of a minority.
how Was I contradicting myself that was not my intent maybe I didn't word it correctly and it was misinterpreted from my intent Sorry for that. you have me at a disadvantage I have a learning disability where using words don't alway come out right but I am thinking true and through I just use the wrong words sometimes and don't even realize it. .
 

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If you have a learning disability then again, I sympathize, but that means you have room to grow and learn and try to understand the correct definitions of terms like "rights" and h ow they actually function.

For what it's worth, and I'm not trying to disparage any disabilities you may have, but with that kind of disability, it makes it difficult to give credence to your commentary.

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