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Tejas, that's TEXAS for you gringos.

Could this lack of regulation endanger these cats?

 

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More cats = more damage
Fewer cats = less damage

More cats = more shot opportunities
Fewer cats = fewer shot opportunities

More cats = less food availability for cats
Fewer cats = more food availability for cats

Less food availability = hungry cats
More food availability = satiated cats

These simple rules mean that if cats are going to reach an equilibrium with their environment. Now, if you change the environment you have to change the cat population. Mankind has taken it upon themselves to modify the environment for our benefit, so we have accepted the responsibility to maintain the environment and all of its biodiversity. I have had this argument often, I really enjoy when people understand this principle and then figure out that they are the reason that we must control nature.

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More cats = more damage
Fewer cats = less damage

More cats = more shot opportunities
Fewer cats = fewer shot opportunities

More cats = less food availability for cats
Fewer cats = more food availability for cats

Less food availability = hungry cats
More food availability = satiated cats

These simple rules mean that if cats are going to reach an equilibrium with their environment. Now, if you change the environment you have to change the cat population. Mankind has taken it upon themselves to modify the environment for our benefit, so we have accepted the responsibility to maintain the environment and all of its biodiversity. I have had this argument often, I really enjoy when people understand this principle and then figure out that they are the reason that we must control nature.

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Yes, cat populations must be balanced with deer populations. Deer are still regulated as game animals in Tx. What would be a true indicator if the cougar were ever to become endangered due to low numbers? I gather it's tough for biologists to get an accurate count of them. I still think cougars need to be watched in Texas by the scientific community. Maybe people who legally take cougars in Texas should still be required to report the kills to authorities even though they are now on unprotected status.
 
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More cats = more damage
Fewer cats = less damage

More cats = more shot opportunities
Fewer cats = fewer shot opportunities

More cats = less food availability for cats
Fewer cats = more food availability for cats

Less food availability = hungry cats
More food availability = satiated cats

These simple rules mean that if cats are going to reach an equilibrium with their environment. Now, if you change the environment you have to change the cat population. Mankind has taken it upon themselves to modify the environment for our benefit, so we have accepted the responsibility to maintain the environment and all of its biodiversity. I have had this argument often, I really enjoy when people understand this principle and then figure out that they are the reason that we must control nature.

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I don't remember the last time I read about a mountain lion attack on a human in Texas.


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I used to know a guy that raised them (and bred them) in captivity. They are awesome animals and are quite capable of making hash browns out of your innards. The breeding pairs are essentially wild and cannot be declawed. He never went in the pens with them. He was feeding a half grown, declawed cat one afternoon when I was over there. The cat jumped up on him and started trying to get to him with its hind legs. He told me to open the gate and let him out..... I'll admit, there was some real hesitation ...

Another time the same cat got out, took about three bounds and bit through the skull of a **** hound in the yard. The dog never saw it coming.

I have been stomping around in the South Texas brush all my life and there have been a handful of times that I saw fleeting glimpses of what I can only explain as a mountain lion. I have never seen one long enough to identify it much less get a shot.

My dad had some Boer goats. The last year he had them a cat took every kid that hit the ground. Then it started on the nannies. He sold the rest (about 35 head) and the cat moved on. A fellow about 20 miles away killed a big male cat some time later and the goat killing stopped.... hmmmmm?

I've had a bunch of hunters tell me they've seen mountain lions on our place. Of course they've told me they saw Hyenas too.... I always look for tracks.. never found any.

I had a game biologist tell me once that the cats were there, I just couldn't see them... okay...

My opinion is that any big carnivore needs to really be, very literally, "gun shy" of humans. From the reports I've read, the northern cats tend to be a bit larger than these South Texas lions. But it's always the places where the cats are them most protected that joggers and kids get torn up.

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I used to know a guy that raised them (and bred them) in captivity. They are awesome animals and are quite capable of making hash browns out of your innards. The breeding pairs are essentially wild and cannot be declawed. He never went in the pens with them. He was feeding a half grown, declawed cat one afternoon when I was over there. The cat jumped up on him and started trying to get to him with its hind legs. He told me to open the gate and let him out..... I'll admit, there was some real hesitation ...

Another time the same cat got out, took about three bounds and bit through the skull of a **** hound in the yard. The dog never saw it coming.

I have been stomping around in the South Texas brush all my life and there have been a handful of times that I saw fleeting glimpses of what I can only explain as a mountain lion. I have never seen one long enough to identify it much less get a shot.

My dad had some Boer goats. The last year he had them a cat took every kid that hit the ground. Then it started on the nannies. He sold the rest (about 35 head) and the cat moved on. A fellow about 20 miles away killed a big male cat some time later and the goat killing stopped.... hmmmmm?

I've had a bunch of hunters tell me they've seen mountain lions on our place. Of course they've told me they saw Hyenas too.... I always look for tracks.. never found any.

I had a game biologist tell me once that the cats were there, I just couldn't see them... okay...

My opinion is that any big carnivore needs to really be, very literally, "gun shy" of humans. From the reports I've read, the northern cats tend to be a bit larger than these South Texas lions. But it's always the places where the cats are them most protected that joggers and kids get torn up.

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A big male cat: he bagged him a Tommy!
 

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The eco-terrorists don not understand that the predator species that were hunted to near extinction were hunted for a reason. They kill livestock and game animals. I suppose if you have enough cougars that you do not need hunters who are evil.
 

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Big cats play a big role in keeping things in balance. It is man's invasion into their space with cattle and sheep and houses that are the problem.
 

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I am a feral human and belong on the land too. I grew up living off the land. You urbanites are a special case and could never survive it and always reiterate that it's the animals place and we are invading it. Many of them advocate depopulating North America so animals could repopulate it. No so with some of us.
 

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I am in Texas, about 10 miles south of Ft Hood, and there are several here. I know several folks that have seen them, a couple in a residential area that butts up to the Wildlife Managment area of Stillhouse lake. Very near town.
Several, including a juvenile, have been seen less than a half mile from my home.
I walk the dog around midnight each night. Always armed.

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