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Distracted driving is also SELFISH TO THE EXTREME and takes away the rights of others and and harms others.

Minnesota just enacted a hands off smartphone law not a lot of hood its doing from first hand knowledge and the proof imprinted on the rear of my home on wheels!
https://blogs.mprnews.org/capitol-view/2019/04/hands-free-cell-phone-is-now-law-so-how-does-it-work/

https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/op-ed/bs-ed-op-0930-selfish-driving-20180927-story.html

https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/ots/distracted-driving/Pages/default.aspx

I am getting sick and tired of people thinking that they are exercising their rights when in fact they are being flat out obnoxiously selfish infringing on the rights of people around them and putting their safety at risk. Its become such a problem that I personally have now been rear ended twice in less than 3 years.
The second one happened last night :mad5: :blowaway:

There was absolutely no excuse for it. between the time I stopped and the time I was hit was 3-4 seconds where the driver that rear-ended me was doing 35-45 miles an hour in a 40zone but most drivers do 5 miles above that. NOT ME. (everyone constantly passing me despite my being on the speed limit. ) I was turning right into a business driveway where a tandem bike with a couple where about to cross on the side walk. SO they had right away regarding respecting every ones rights. I stopped as to respect their rights and not endanger them. but the SELFISH TO THE EXTREME my rights trumps all others driver , behind me is driving distracted for more than 100-200ft and slams into the rear of my van. , Tandem bike was moving slow. Thus why I was not off the street before he got to me.

If not for my hitch on my van I would be looking for a tree right now to put a noose over, for me.(<<<<expression of the level of frustration, not a danger to self I am not wired like other people due to the harm being done to me starting so young that to me its normal :mad5:) People violating my rights and causing me extreme harm is putting me in the proverbial noose who the people around me have hung over the yea old oak tree.

You folks that think you have the right to do what ever you want need to stop and think long and hard about your ways. Your rights do NOT extend to harming others or putting their safety at risk because you think its more important to talk to your wife or kids on the phone rather than concentrate on driving and sharing the road and not endangering other people with your stupidity SELFISH TO THE EXTREME behavior.

I also got minor whiplash injury and the impact also destroyed by seat permanently bending it back by 20-30 degrees that it has to be replaced with a non existing part. I wound up in the ER 2-3 hours after the collision.

I need you folks to be mindful that your rights do not extend to risking harm towards others. the next driver that hits me and totals my van might as well put a bullet in my brain pan I can not survive without a modified van in a state with wide weather fluctuation. I don't have the resources to pay for the mistakes of others SELFISH TO THE EXTREME behavior that violates people rights around them.
 

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I'm sorry you were involved in an automobile accident that was not(?) your fault. Be thankful you were wearing pants and underwear at the time or being 'rear-ended' would have really given you something to holler about.

Do you have insurance? Does the other party have automobile insurance? Were the police called? If so, whom do they say is responsible?

Oh yeah. They are called 'accidents' and not 'on purposes' for a reason.
 

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Sorry to hear you got rear ended! Accidents are often caused by negligence, but infringing on your rights? And, I have to ask, are you really lecturing the members here because of the negligence of some other person? Since it sounds like you are lecturing, let me just say from my perspective, I did not hurt you or cause you harm, nor do I desire injury on your part. Do not lecture me! I did not cause you injury and I have never ‘infringed on your rights.’
 

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Sorry to hear you got rear ended! Accidents are often caused by negligence, but infringing on your rights? And, I have to ask, are you really lecturing the members here because of the negligence of some other person? Since it sounds like you are lecturing, let me just say from my perspective, I did not hurt you or cause you harm, nor do I desire injury on your part. Do not lecture me! I did not cause you injury and I have never ‘infringed on your rights.’
Also, not being involved in a traffic accident doesn't qualify as a Right.
 

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Also, not being involved in a traffic accident doesn't qualify as a Right.
I was going to agree with you on the basis that only government can infringe on a right but that's not true. I have the right to own property. If you trespass or take my property you have violated that right.

I have the right to life. If I shoot a home invader, it is because I have a right to life and it's not the government infringing that right.

So, based on those ideas, and that I have a right to be a place without being assaulted, I'd say it's my right to not have someone drive into the back of me.
 

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I was going to agree with you on the basis that only government can infringe on a right but that's not true. I have the right to own property. If you trespass or take my property you have violated that right.

I have the right to life. If I shoot a home invader, it is because I have a right to life and it's not the government infringing that right.

So, based on those ideas, and that I have a right to be a place without being assaulted, I'd say it's my right to not have someone drive into the back of me.
More like trespassing or stealing. Yes, we have a right to life. A vehicular accident is not assault (unless it is proven intentional) or infringing on your rights...it is a vehicular accident!
 

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Sorry to hear you got rear ended! Accidents are often caused by negligence, but infringing on your rights? And, I have to ask, are you really lecturing the members here because of the negligence of some other person? Since it sounds like you are lecturing, let me just say from my perspective, I did not hurt you or cause you harm, nor do I desire injury on your part. Do not lecture me! I did not cause you injury and I have never ‘infringed on your rights.’
When you deliberately engage in a behavior that puts the safety of others at risk. Like texting to wife rather than focusing on driving to ensure you don't hit anyone is infringing on the rights of the people around you because things like my rear-ending happen. That would never have a happened if you were not texting to wife.
My rights were infringed because I had a right to drive in peace and get to the destination safely without being hit by a person who deliberatly chose to distract themselves by doing something other than driving

Do you text while driving? if not your not infringing on rights of others. And why would you be getting upset? I did not say you did me harm I am saying when you engage in this kind of choice you put other people around in harms way that infringes on their rights.
 

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Also, not being involved in a traffic accident doesn't qualify as a Right.
getting from point a to point b alive and intact with property intact is part of pursuit of happiness. thus makes it a right not to be harmed by other people negligence and bad choices
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Georgia already has a hands free law but I see people all the time texting or talking. If I take a pic or call to report them I guess that would make me a violator unless I can use the "in case of emergency only" exemption
 

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When you deliberately engage in a behavior that puts the safety of others at risk. Like texting to wife rather than focusing on driving to ensure you don't hit anyone is infringing on the rights of the people around you because things like my rear-ending happen. That would never have a happened if you were not texting to wife.
My rights were infringed because I had a right to drive in peace and get to the destination safely without being hit by a person who deliberatly chose to distract themselves by doing something other than driving

Do you text while driving? if not your not infringing on rights of others. And why would you be getting upset? I did not say you did me harm I am saying when you engage in this kind of choice you put other people around in harms way that infringes on their rights.
I guess when you repeat lecturing and addressing everyone in your post as “you folks” as you do, it just struck me that you were lecturing those you were posting to on NGF, but now I see it is just your manner of writing. But maybe you just don’t consider what you say and how to say it so it does not seem to be griping at members for your situation.

I am not fond of texting, and texting while driving is stupid...but an accident is not an infringement on someone’s rights. If you expect to not be in any sort of risk when you drive, you sound a bit naive. Not only do you have the risk of other drivers being careless, you also have risks from mechanical failures and even an act of nature. But you have your perspective...run with it if you must. I am done.
 

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Operating a motor vehicle is not a right, it is a privilege. When you partake in the privilege of operating a motor vehicle, you are accepting the risks and dangers that are inherit to being on a stretch of pavement with other 2-3 ton pieces of machinery, moving at dangerous speeds. This is why you wear seat belts and obey traffic laws, in order to minimize the risk when you partake in your privilege.

If you want 100% safety, stay off the roads, don't operate motor vehicles, and stay in your mom's basement.
 

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Being in a place you're permitted to be, and not being harmed while you're in that place, is a right. Gimp's got you guys on this. He's correct. It doesn't matter that it's an accident or not.

How many of you defend stand-your-ground laws? Other than a potential deadly response to an attacker, what's the difference in this case? Do you think we're simply on our own and what happens by chance happens and we just live with it?

If you were stopped at a red light and were rear-ended by a distracted driver, regardless of the distraction but, in this case, we're talking about texting, and you were injured, would you simply accept it as an accident or would you sue for, at a minimum, medical and other losses? On what grounds would you sue? You had no right to not be hit. Driving's a privilege and if you don't want to get hit then don't drive.
 

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An automobile accident is not a rights violation nor does it indicate a conspiracy against the injured party.

Legal remedies are in place for the injured party to seek recompense.
 

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"My rights were infringed because I had a right to drive in peace and get to the destination safely without being hit by a person.........."

Yeah, well about 35,000 people a year have their "RIGHT", as you presumptuously define it, revoked in fatal accidents.
 

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Florida finally made texting and driving a primary offense. Previously, LEO couldn't pull you over merely for that; they had to have a primary offense. Now, if you are seen texting and driving, they can pull you over just for that.
There are apps that can convert talk to text so you can text hands free. Personally, I have come very close several times to head on crashes by someone driving and texting so I want them to be treated like DUIs.
 

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Florida finally made texting and driving a primary offense. Previously, LEO couldn't pull you over merely for that; they had to have a primary offense. Now, if you are seen texting and driving, they can pull you over just for that.
There are apps that can convert talk to text so you can text hands free. Personally, I have come very close several times to head on crashes by someone driving and texting so I want them to be treated like DUIs.



I think phone related/car deaths on the road are about even or may have surpassed DUI fatalities. I know it was pretty close a couple of years ago.
 
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