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(From Philadelphia Inquirer)

Robber killed in gunfight with recycling employees
After many holdups, the Germantown site's owner said, he allowed workers to carry guns.
By Barbara Boyer and Dwight Ott


Inquirer Staff Writers

Robberies have made the recycling business so dangerous for David Geppert, shot two years ago during a holdup, that he gave his blessing to employees who said they wanted to carry guns to work.

Yesterday morning, Geppert said he felt blessed that none of his employees at his Germantown facility was injured during a gun battle between a robber and two employees. The robber was shot and died.

"We're like a little family here," Geppert said of the seven people employed at David Geppert Recycling in the 4500 block of Wayne Avenue, a busy commercial byway.

The drama started shortly after 9 a.m., when a man entered the facility and approached four employees sorting materials in a garage. He posed as a customer and said he had a large number of old radiators he wanted to sell as scrap metal.

Employees noticed he was acting oddly. They also noticed a bulge at his side.

Then, police and Geppert said, the man pulled a .380-caliber automatic and demanded cash.

Two employees were armed - and all three began firing.

Homicide Lt. Philip Riehl said the robber fired at least three shots and the workers - both of whom declined to comment - about seven. Police do not expect to file charges in the case.

Only the robber, who ran about 100 yards and collapsed, was hit by gunfire, Riehl said. One of the employees was shaken up and taken to a nearby hospital for observation.

Authorities had a tentative identification on the robber that was not released pending confirmation.

"I'm glad that none of my employees was injured," Geppert said. "I hope it set a precedent that we're going to keep on protecting ourselves."

On Dec. 31, 2004, Geppert was shot during a robbery. The alleged gunman was charged and acquitted after a jury trial. Since opening the business in 1992, Geppert said he's been robbed about a dozen times.

"I hope this is the last one," he said.

Employees are instructed to give up the cash to robbers to stay safe.

Geppert said he has decreased buying scrap metal from walk-ins to limit the amount of cash kept on the premises.

Yesterday, to better protect employees, he said he will only accept commercial debris from vendors who will accept checks or credit.

Others in the neighborhood said that the area has become too dangerous, and some said that they, too, keep sidearms.

"Enough is enough," said Carl Cooper, who works at the Mom & Pop Deli at Wayne and Roberts Avenue and heard the morning gunshots.

Cooper raised his sweater and displayed the gun he keeps on his hip and the permit he keeps in his wallet.

"If we let the criminals do what they want to do, it's no good," Cooper said. "You have to have a gun to protect yourself."

Cooper's friend, Ray Young, agreed.

"Right now," Young said, "we have to watch each other's backs."
 
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Glad the good guys are OK. Lets just hope that none of us and nobody we know are ever put in a position to protect ourselves or loved ones in such a way.
 
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Be interesting to see how long (if ever) it takes another armed robber to
get that lucky feeling at THAT address! LOL

Bravo!
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This was a necessary thing.
 

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Popeye said:
This was a necessary thing.
You are correct, indeed!

I love your quote: The difference between a communist and a socialist is that the socialist does not have your guns yet! Boy is that a profound statement!

I may pick that up as part of my signature also, with your permission of course?
 

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I was glad to read that no charges are pending against the employees who were protecting themselves. In my state it is unusual for a clear-cut self-defense shooting to generate charges, but I've seen many situations in other states where the DA decides to bring charges, just so a jury or a judge can clear the shooter. That's fine and dandy as far as covering the DA's butt, but can you imagine having to shell out the thousands of dollars necessary to pay a decent lawyer to defend yourself from charges that shouldn't have been brought in the first place? It would break many of us, financially.
 

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I was glad to read that no charges are pending against the employees who were protecting themselves. In my state it is unusual for a clear-cut self-defense shooting to generate charges, but I've seen many situations in other states where the DA decides to bring charges, just so a jury or a judge can clear the shooter. That's fine and dandy as far as covering the DA's butt, but can you imagine having to shell out the thousands of dollars necessary to pay a decent lawyer to defend yourself from charges that shouldn't have been brought in the first place? It would break many of us, financially.
Good Comment! That is one of the points stressed in the class I took for my concealed carry license and the second one that I attended with a shooting buddy.

The instructor stated pulling that gun and shooting someone is like flushing your life down the toilet. You will most likely have to attend a Grand Jury hearing to see if the case should go to trial. Its you against the DA in that venue! Good Luck! If the case goes to trial you will most likely lose your home and most of your assets unless you are loaded! If you are loaded with money then there will be a civil trial on behalf of the deceased's family to get your assets!

You must be able to say with conviction: I knew I was going to die and had to defend my life or that of my loved ones! In this state don't pull that gun for any other reason!
 
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+1 for the good guys.
Yesterday I visited my favorite liquor store in Augusta, GA. The young man behind the counter was wearing a Ruger P-89 openly. I asked if they had any holdups, he said none since we (employees) started wearing openly. I thanked him for carrying and told him I felt a lot safer coming in his store. From now on that won't be my favorite store, it'll be my only store.
I didn't mention it but my concealed carry Seecamp was in my pocket holster. I consider it an act of stupidity to go into a liquor store or convenience store without my carry.
 

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+1 for the good guys.
Yesterday I visited my favorite liquor store in Augusta, GA. The young man behind the counter was wearing a Ruger P-89 openly. I asked if they had any holdups, he said none since we (employees) started wearing openly. I thanked him for carrying and told him I felt a lot safer coming in his store. From now on that won't be my favorite store, it'll be my only store.
I didn't mention it but my concealed carry Seecamp was in my pocket holster. I consider it an act of stupidity to go into a liquor store or convenience store without my carry.

Thats fantastic! I wish all the people that worked the convenience stores carried. Problem is many of the folks working those counters are a bit strange and probably should not be close to a firearm.

Liquor store owners and employees need to carry as do gun store and jewelery store employees.
 
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Yep about the strange owners. The majority of convenience store owners in my little town are named Patel. I think the entire race is anti gun. In the last year two have been shot during holdups (neither fatal) and another was pistol whipped and robbed of the day's receipts on his way home. Unfortunately there aren't enough cops to police every store at 11 pm- we already know that- therefore we carry.
 

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If their name is Patel and they are Hindu, as several of my former colleagues with that name are, yes, they would be anti-gun. That notwithstanding, this isn't India, and even if it was, it's just too damn dangerous to work at a liquor store (or convenience store, or delivering pizza, or ... or ... or ...) w/o protection. I agree with the employees -- I wouldn't work there w/o a sidearm and (IMO) exposed is even better!

I worked nights for >17 yrs and know several clerks in 24-hr gas stations, restaurants, and other businesses who do carry w/o permission, too. That may or may not be good, but I sure see why they do it. It is also possible that folks at that income level might not be as legally exposed as some of us with a little more material wealth, since they would not be a great target for blood-sucker lawyers. I don't know. I do know that my experience last January cost me enough in legal fees to buy a couple of nice carry guns. And I'd do it again in an instant.
 

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I may pick that up as part of my signature also, with your permission of course?
Sure. Spread it around.
 
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