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I read constantly that the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun. In the last 10 years, there has been 383 mass shootings for 1273 deaths. Not one case of a good guy with a gun, killing a nutter with a gun (yet this homily persists)

Almost every mass shooting has used a semi, or fully automatic weapon. Not one single mass shooting was stopped by a member of the public despite a reputed 3.7 million automatic weapons owned by the public. One, maybe two or three or a cupla dozen?

When a mass shooting takes place, the only one prepared is the criminal nut, but we give this clown a gun or two?????

So my question

- why does this forum support the general right to own deadly automatic weapons with a 383/0 hit rate to prevent mass killings?
- why doe this forum support the general right to own deadly automatic weapons with 1.200:000/0 hit rate to prevent violent crimes?
- The hit rate of violence using semi/modified/automatic weapons is 100% to kill and slaughter, zero to prevent or stop these types of crimes
- The hit rate of citizen bearing arms to protect the Republic since the 1790's is zero.

The clear evidence is that guns cause crime, massively so., they are ineffective in the hands of the public to prevent crime, are centuries out of date for forming militias to protect the state.

You do not need guns in the hands of civilians in the USA.

It's nuts
 

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Guns do not cause crimes. The bad guy/gal does. The members here are law abiding citizens. Who would not use a gun to commit a crime. Many of us if we see a crime in action. Would do our best to stop it.
 
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Well well, a real live anti-gunner coming on gun forum and openly expressing your position. Refreshing, most masquerade as something else. But you won't get the answers you're looking for, like the song from Arlo Guthrey (who? he says), but the song says "I just wanna kill, I mean, I just wanna KILL!"
 

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Hopefully you will stick around and learn a few things, because what you are saying isn't exactly true .......



Nearly all the mass shootings you mentioned, occurred in "gun-free zones", meaning only the bad guy had guns. Legal law-abiding gun owners were not allowed to carry their firearms. Doesn't seem fair does it?

You need to re-check your "facts", because I can't think of one mass shooting where the shooter used a "fully-automatic" firearm. If you know of any cases where a fully-automatic firearm was used, please post it here, I'm curious.

Please follow the link here ------> https://www.americanrifleman.org/the-armed-citizen ..... and click on the dated articles and read how law-abiding citizens with guns, protected themselves and stopped crime.

Are you aware that in recent history, as the rate of gun ownership increased, the rate of gun violence has decreased, according to FBI statistics?
 

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First off no mass shooter in this country has used a fully automatic weapon that I'm aware of. There have been some in the EU though. Secondly there have been some stopped by a good guy with a gun, the Church shooting in TX comes to mind. There have also been quite a few that were potential mass shootings but a good guy stopped it before it became a mass shooting, One that sticks in my mind was a guy at a barber shop in PA(philly or pittsburgh maybe). The amount of time it took you to type your question you could have researched it. The other big problem with good guys stopping mass shootings is many of them take place in gun free zones which legally bars a CCW from carrying their weapon with them. I just read a story yesterday about a woman in the Chicago area who saved her own life in a robbery attempt using a gun but now she is being prosecuted. The problem? While she has a foid card she can't legally carry her gun. I guess the govt feels she would be better off dead and the criminal go free. Not a mass shooting story but just one to give you an idea why people aren't carrying their legally owned guns in places like schools or other gun free zones.
 

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Also look at how they define a "mass shooting".
It makes it sound like Vegas or all school shootings. Not true.
Also how many one on one encounters have a good guy with a gun prevailed and stopped the slaughter of himself and his loved ones.
It is your right to not want a gun, I will never take that away from you.
Someday you may find yourself in a situation that will make you rethink your philosophy.
But welcome to the forum.
If you are open minded, you may learn something by conversing with folks from the other side.
You may find out that we are not the blood thirsty evil people that y'all paint us to be.
 

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Here is some more information for you to digest ......

Types of deaths in 2014 by cause:

  • Drug Induced – 49,714
  • Alcohol Induced – 30,722
  • Accidental Poisoning – 42,032
  • Accidental Falls – 33,018
  • Accidental Pedestrian Deaths – 6,258
  • Death by Malnutrition – 3,933
  • Drowning – 3406
  • Murdered with knives – 1,567
  • Killed while bicycling – 902
  • Murdered with hands, fists or feet – 660
  • Boating Accident – 610 (U.S. Coast Guard)
  • Unintentional Machinery Deaths – 605
  • Murdered with blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc…) 435
  • During Robbery – 565
  • Unintentional Cuts – 109
  • Murdered by Asphyxiation – 96
  • Murdered by Strangulation – 89
  • During Burglary – 77
  • Getting a Salmonella Infection – 45
  • Death by Babysitter – 37
  • During a Motor Vehicle Theft – 25
  • During Rape – 23
  • By Arson – 22
  • In a Mass Shooting – 18
 

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And from what utopian socialistic country do you come from where there is no crime?
 

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This is also interesting ......

 

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I read constantly that the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun. In the last 10 years, there has been 383 mass shootings for 1273 deaths. Not one case of a good guy with a gun, killing a nutter with a gun (yet this homily persists)

Almost every mass shooting has used a semi, or fully automatic weapon. Not one single mass shooting was stopped by a member of the public despite a reputed 3.7 million automatic weapons owned by the public. One, maybe two or three or a cupla dozen?

When a mass shooting takes place, the only one prepared is the criminal nut, but we give this clown a gun or two?????

So my question

- why does this forum support the general right to own deadly automatic weapons with a 383/0 hit rate to prevent mass killings?
- why doe this forum support the general right to own deadly automatic weapons with 1.200:000/0 hit rate to prevent violent crimes?
- The hit rate of violence using semi/modified/automatic weapons is 100% to kill and slaughter, zero to prevent or stop these types of crimes
- The hit rate of citizen bearing arms to protect the Republic since the 1790's is zero.

The clear evidence is that guns cause crime, massively so., they are ineffective in the hands of the public to prevent crime, are centuries out of date for forming militias to protect the state.

You do not need guns in the hands of civilians in the USA.

It's nuts
You should learn a few things.
First you should learn the difference between semi-auto and fully automatic.
Then you should learn the laws concerning fully automatic firearms, and thus why so very few citizens actually own them, let alone use them in acts of violence.
You should note, as some forum members have already pointed out, that most of the mass shooting happen in gun free zones making it illegal for a person to possess a firearm for protection.
You should note, that while the "nutters" may be violent and crazed, they are not so stupid that they do not realize where they can cause the most damage with these horrendous crimes; in gun free zones.
You might also learn through investigating that a large number of crimes have been thwarted by one citizen with a firearm, but they do not make much news because they do not fit your anti-gun agenda.
You should learn to look into all the statistics, not just those that can be used to support your agenda, and let all the facts be heard...you might be surprised by how much you can learn.

This forum supports the right to bear arms because it is a constitutional right, and a God given right that we might defend ourselves and our families from evil. And, by the way, stand against a government or institution that thinks to take away our rights.
No gun has ever caused a crime! They are inanimate objects incapable of instigating anything! It is evil in the hearts of men that causes crime, mischief and murder; the right to bear arms is the right to defend against evil people and oppressive government.
Our rights stand above your perception of our needs! I am quite content when I rest my head on the pillow every night knowing that some of my neighbors think like I do and our prepared to defend their loved ones, and I know they would stand with me just as I will stand with them. I have never committed any sort of criminal act with a firearm, and I have no intention of doing so. But, know this, I will defend all my constitutional rights.
 

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Now take out all those high murder rate cities in the US and let's see where the rest of the US stands. Hmmmm, Dem controlled, strict gun laws, huge minority populations (which the Dems have always wanted to be disarmed since before the Civil War) and that tells the story right there
 

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mass shootings are rare........it is the media hype and the liberal bashing that brings it to the front page headlines.........while the numerous self-defense shootings are regulated to the back pages or not even mentioned at all........

as an example........you mention 383 mass shootings in 10 years

but you neglect this "back page info........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_gun_use

now depending on whose study and whom collects the data and the methods.....tons of research, different surveys and definitions......bias......but it basicly boils down to this........

somewhere between 55,000 and 4.7 million people in the Unites States use a firearm defensively every year. ​......the basic argument on more exact numbers revolve around data collected, definitions, brandishing vs shooting, deaths, wounding, reported and not reported, etc..........

now that seems to pale in comparison over 383 mass shootings in 10 years....reported by an agenda driven mass media that is set to take away gun ownership at all costs while neglecting to report beneficial usage of firearms......
 

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The clear evidence is that guns cause crime, massively so., they are ineffective in the hands of the public to prevent crime, are centuries out of date for forming militias to protect the state.

You do not need guns in the hands of civilians in the USA.

It's nuts
Certainly is nuts.....nuts that anyone would even think that. Look at history, to all the countries that removed guns from civilians and how many were killed. MILLIONS AND MILLIONS AND more MILLIONS that were slaughtered, only because a few individuals wanted power and control.

Get real. Stop drinking the koolaide and stop spewing crap.

BTW, I no longer own any guns but fully support those who do.
 

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Yes, a drive by poster. The original post seemed to canned as if a copy/paste from a gun grabber website. Expect more of these as the election draws near. I find it hard to believe that disarming law abiding citizens will stop criminals from shooting people. There is definitely something wrong with their logic.
 

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First its no homily and its obvious you only believe in the left wing agenda if you feel this is a
homily. Take off the kaleidoscope glasses, put away your propaganda headphones, and stop eating the bull your handlers feed you. There have been many upon many people who stop criminals and mass shooters, just you wont hear about them because of your headphones. Over 3 million people a year use firearms to protect themselves, far out weighs the 9 to 12k homicides by firearm each year. Take off those glasses and you will see the vast majority of mass shoootings are done on gun free zones - open season the way mass killers see it. Free to pick and choose, to strike and kill with impunity.

Even when there is a shooting and a good guy with a firearm the death toll will be none or dramatically be reduced. Even the washington post did some article bout how good guys with firearms stop bad guys with firearms. Guess you were late to the party.

If you truly want to learn and not be a troll (which if you are and you seem like one to me - tic toc) take some advice from yourself and your side preaches - open your mind. I dont have time to even go through all the reports of people stopping criminals with firearms or the percentage rate of shootings, firearms, population amount. Though I will ;leave a few...

Mass shootings dont happen all the time its just the media, politicians and government wont let the story fade away and keep talking bout it for weeks. Though its been tough these past few months seeing the shooter or the firearm did not meet / fit their agenda. We keep hearing bout sandy hook.

NRA instructor stops mass shooting at a Church.

The percetage use of modern sporting rifles in homicides is less than three percent of actual firearm homicides

People stop more criminals with firearm then the police do. The People are there before the police seeing the criminals attack the People 95 percent of the time.

....oh and your percentages trying to exaggerate each of your points are wrong. Though this is to be expected from someone who has been fed half truths and false information. For instance - "The hit rate of violence using semi/modified/automatic weapons is 100% to kill and slaughter" guess you never heard of survivors. I could say the same thing about seat belts. Seatbelts save lives 100% every time theyre used. This is a half truth or even a lie. Seatbelts do kill though the politicians want money and government wants control.






 

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Verity is posting from Thailand.
 
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Interesting. You would think living in that part of the world they would access to the news coming from Hong Kong and realize how vital freedom and guns can be against a tyrannical govt.
 
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