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On Nov. 17, the Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER) filed a petition to ban the use of lead ammunition and fishing tackle on all property managed by the National Park Service (NPS). According to the petition, this includes more than 51 million acres open to hunting, comprising more than 60% of the land area in the system.

The PEER petition cites the 2022 U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) hunt/fish rule, which began the process of banning lead ammo and tackle on National Wildlife Refuges (NWR) this past summer. As with the FWS hunt/fish rule, the PEER petition argues for this broad and expansive rule – a total ban – due to lead’s known toxicity but fails to cite specific evidence of population-level effects on particular NPS properties of concern. As the Sportsmen’s Alliance forecasted, the FWS effort to ban lead is being followed by other groups, and potentially, more agencies.

The PEER petition also mimics the FWS hunt/fish rule by being highly dismissive of any claims that lead bans will reduce hunting and fishing participation. Hunters and anglers remain the backbone of fish and wildlife funding in America, and yet, PEER rejects this argument out of hand, stating, without any evidence, that such costs will be “minimal” and of no concern.

“As we stated earlier about the FWS hunt/fish rule, these bans, which fail to show specific population-level effects, are highly irresponsible,” said Todd Adkins, vice president of government affairs at the Sportsmen’s Alliance. “In every case, we have no idea how many hunters and anglers will be driven away by the high cost of alternatives, so we strongly condemn such actions when there is no hard science to back up the bans in the first place.”




 

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Humane Society leader Wayne Pacelle,
“We are going to use the ballot box and the democratic process to stop all hunting in the United States,” he said. “We will take it species by species until all hunting is stopped in California. Then we will take it state by state.”
The banning of lead shot for waterfowl was based of junk science and has been expanded on from there. The truth no longer matters (did it ever?) it's all about what someone wants because they KNOW WHAT'S BEST/RIGHT
 

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Soon the White Man will be driven out and the Buffalo will return and paradise will be regained...

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Humane Society leader Wayne Pacelle,
“We are going to use the ballot box and the democratic process to stop all hunting in the United States,” he said. “We will take it species by species until all hunting is stopped in California. Then we will take it state by state.”
The banning of lead shot for waterfowl was based of junk science and has been expanded on from there. The truth no longer matters (did it ever?) it's all about what someone wants because they KNOW WHAT'S BEST/RIGHT
The Democratic process is the avenue of wretched people to push their ill gotten agenda.
 

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Humane Society leader Wayne Pacelle,
“We are going to use the ballot box and the democratic process to stop all hunting in the United States,” he said. “We will take it species by species until all hunting is stopped in California. Then we will take it state by state.”
The banning of lead shot for waterfowl was based of junk science and has been expanded on from there. The truth no longer matters (did it ever?) it's all about what someone wants because they KNOW WHAT'S BEST/RIGHT
They can do anything they want with rigged voting machines and mail in ballots. It's easy to have your way. You just have to be dishonest.
 

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Humane Society leader Wayne Pacelle,
“We are going to use the ballot box and the democratic process to stop all hunting in the United States,” he said. “We will take it species by species until all hunting is stopped in California. Then we will take it state by state.”

This moroon doesn't have a snowballs chance in Hell of stopping hunting in CA, much less any other state... Certainly when he gets to Texas he's going to have problems... We hunt on the Golf Courses here...



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I'd really like to understand how some people get so messed up as these PEER people. What's wrong with them? Is it a birth defect, learning disability or just plain stupidity? People like this need to be banished or all sent to live in Calfornia. The place is going to end up in the Pacific Ocean one day and some looney tunes need to go with it.
 

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I'd really like to understand how some people get so messed up as these PEER people. What's wrong with them? Is it a birth defect, learning disability or just plain stupidity? People like this need to be banished or all sent to live in Calfornia. The place is going to end up in the Pacific Ocean one day and some looney tunes need to go with it.
They start the indoctrination process in kindergarten and finish it in the "higher education system". Now they've advanced into pushing this transgender BS on little children.
 

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So, these "public employees" who filed this lawsuit will drive everyone who hunts and fishes out of their states, so no licenses or fees will be paid. Exactly how long to they expect to keep their jobs when the budgets are cut and they are no longer needed?

It's not like the folks who vote to stop the very people who fund conservation and care for our wildlands and wildlife will step up to pay for those programs once the outdoors men and women are driven away.

Just a bunch of short-sighted idiots.
 

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I've used a variety of copper hunting projectiles, both rifle and handgun. In my experience premium copper projectiles deliver superior performance to traditional jacketed lead projectiles at five times the cost. I do not believe they deliver five times the performance.

I believe the ban lead projectiles movement is just another page in the gun grabbers handbook. This page aims to make hunting prohibitively expensive for the common man.
 
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I too have found the copper bullets to be more costly from simply the initial purchase, a completely different set of loading data, cleaning supplies and more copper down range finding a load and sighting in the finicky things.

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It all started with steel shot. I’ve killed a few ducks and I’ve never found any shot much less lead shot in a Duck’s craw. It was a made up problem to make it harder on sportsmen. It also results in many more wounded and lost waterfowl.

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