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My letter from Wayne says this is it. New York Gov. Cuomo and New York Attorney General Letitia James are bringing the NRA down to the ground. The only thing that stands between the NRA's survival and New York State's triumph is my lousy $27. That's it. Just another $27, for the umpteenth time this year..

Hmmmmmmm .....Wayne, NRA.......Cuomo and "Letitia" James........my $27. Something seems out of balance and out of whack here. $27? So, that's all it takes to wipe out the NRA? Coumo and James? I had no idea the NRA organization was so frail and vulnerable to being overthrown and destroyed. Why even Hillary and the DNC and the DEMOCRAT national representatives couldn't do this. But two New York state DEMOCRATS slew the NRA?. A house of cards, I suppose.

Unless i send Wayne ANOTHER $27.
 

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But not with the relentless consistency and frequency of "Wayne/NRA". And what was the lesson we learned from the story about The Little Boy Who Cried "Wolf"?
 

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I love Guns and Ammo magazine. Lots of useful stuff each month. American Rifleman is 40% $$$$$WAAAAAAA. Instead of "preaching to the choir", make some effort to get the other 90% of gun owners to join.
 

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Give the poor guy a break, he has to maintain his life style on out dime somehow.
 

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Personally I am tired of the anti-NRA rhetoric out there. What is better? Who can do better? Yes, maybe the top gun over spent and yes maybe there needs to be a house cleaning; but y'all are playing right into the hands of the enemy; and they love it!

Has anyone ever thought of the growing support of the anti-gunners? Has anyone ever thought that the anti-gun people/groups are actually outspending the NRA? Are you really willing to gamble your rights away? Sure, we have the GOA and others, but they certainly do not have the lobbying power of the NRA (which is extremely costly).

The battle is growing and resources are needed. Do we stop financing the war knowing the outcome or do we continue to support the fight for our rights?

The enemy loves this kind of post.......
 

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I understand that it takes lots of money to fight the gun grabbers in court.
But enough with the emails and text messages every single day.
It gets old and pisses people off.
 

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Personally I am tired of the anti-NRA rhetoric out there. What is better? Who can do better?

>The answer is, "The NRA."

Yes, maybe the top gun over spent and yes maybe there needs to be a house cleaning;

>Sounds right.

but y'all are playing right into the hands of the enemy; and they love it!

>The top gun is playing right into the hands of the enemy and he IS the enemy. The wounds are self-inflicted.

Has anyone ever thought of the growing support of the anti-gunners?

>Did he?

Has anyone ever thought that the anti-gun people/groups are actually outspending the NRA?

>The NRA blew their wad in 2016 and bought clothes with the rest.

Are you really willing to gamble your rights away?

>The NRA is not a casino.

Sure, we have the GOA and others, but they certainly do not have the lobbying power of the NRA (which is extremely costly).

>The lobbying power of the NRA is extremely costly and not very effective anymore.

The battle is growing and resources are needed. Do we stop financing the war knowing the outcome or do we continue to support the fight for our rights?

>Continue fighting for rights but find another war machine. There are lots of PACs available.

The enemy loves this kind of post.......

>This kind of post brought to you courtesy of the NRA.
I'm a member of the NRA.
 

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I'm a member of the NRA.
i am happy to hear that and I hope you continue to support them.

My point is the rhetoric that is out there. IOW, I agree, we have a right to be concerned with the overspending. "WE" are the NRA and just like "WE" are the USA, we do not bash the USA when things go bad. Instead we may discuss how to make it better, but the wise never puts it down (bashes it). Think of the NRA as the USA. Sure, we have leadership problems that we all can agree with; however, we never (you and I) bash the USA, just some of the wrongful leadership. We should never turn our back on the USA but rather continue to support it in its darkest moment. When the dust settles (or even before) we plan how to make things better. Let's go back to the NRA and look at the similarities. The enemy is there, watching and further dividing us, thinking we are weak.....and they may be right. Just as with the USA, the enemy wishes to take advantage of the disagreements, arguments, division, apathy....take advantage because our current state of affairs is much weaker today.

Who is to blame, certainly the NRA leadership....we all know that. The NRA is our best option at this given time and to give any advantage to the enemy is "our" fault. We cannot blame the NRA for our failing gun positions, we can only blame ourselves. As long as we continue to point fingers, the enemy has the advantage.

Stepping off soap box; for the time being. Not sure how clear this may be but in my head....well, it makes sense.
 

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i am happy to hear that and I hope you continue to support them.

My point is the rhetoric that is out there. IOW, I agree, we have a right to be concerned with the overspending. "WE" are the NRA and just like "WE" are the USA, we do not bash the USA when things go bad. Instead we may discuss how to make it better, but the wise never puts it down (bashes it). Think of the NRA as the USA. Sure, we have leadership problems that we all can agree with; however, we never (you and I) bash the USA, just some of the wrongful leadership. We should never turn our back on the USA but rather continue to support it in its darkest moment. When the dust settles (or even before) we plan how to make things better. Let's go back to the NRA and look at the similarities. The enemy is there, watching and further dividing us, thinking we are weak.....and they may be right. Just as with the USA, the enemy wishes to take advantage of the disagreements, arguments, division, apathy....take advantage because our current state of affairs is much weaker today.

Who is to blame, certainly the NRA leadership....we all know that. The NRA is our best option at this given time and to give any advantage to the enemy is "our" fault. We cannot blame the NRA for our failing gun positions, we can only blame ourselves. As long as we continue to point fingers, the enemy has the advantage.

Stepping off soap box; for the time being. Not sure how clear this may be but in my head....well, it makes sense.
It's apparent that the NRA has major issues when we have to craft an equation that makes it equal to the USA. That way, anyone who disagrees is unpatriotic.

The two are not equivalent. And, the purpose of freedom of expression is to criticize the very things that we are loyal to.

Introspection is healthy. Whether it's the Red Cross, BSoA, the military, the president, a governor, the USA or the NRA, demanding ethical behaviour is the responsibility of all of us.

Either the NRA is clean, or it's dirty.

Let's ask questions. Let's find out.
 

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It's apparent that the NRA has major issues when we have to craft an equation that makes it equal to the USA. That way, anyone who disagrees is unpatriotic.

The two are not equivalent. And, the purpose of freedom of expression is to criticize the very things that we are loyal to.

Introspection is healthy. Whether it's the Red Cross, BSoA, the military, the president, a governor, the USA or the NRA, demanding ethical behaviour is the responsibility of all of us.

Either the NRA is clean, or it's dirty.

Let's ask questions. Let's find out.
Poorly explained my part. I speak of the rhetoric we are hearing. It would seem we are slamming the NRA based on questionable leadership, but the purpose remains the same. Remove or change the leadership and we will still have the NRA, but well run. While there is NRA turmoil within the membership, the enemy will work harder; thinking they are making headway.

Not much different with eh USA. When the leadership is bad and there is great turmoil within the "membership", the enemy sees this as a weakness and works harder; thinking they ar making headway.

In both cases, "we the people" need to make it very clear that we still support the NRA / USA and we will not allow anyone or any group to take advantage of the situation.

My point is how "we" respond to the situation, not that it does not exist. How we respond will either allow the enemy to take advantage or not. The NRA has done some stupid stuff. The USA has done stupid stuff. In either case a show of support for each will benefit all. A lack of open support will give the enemy an advantage to make things worse. Talking crap about the USA gives the enemy fuel. Talking crap about the NRA likewise gives the enemy fuel.

BTW, I agree we should be critical of what we support and demand ethical behavior. I agree. What I don't agree with is the negative, non-supportive rhetoric from members and others who are bashing the NRA rather than ethically criticizing them. The diffrence is in the rhetoric. I make sure people know I still support the NRA but at the same time, want positive change.
 

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Poorly explained my part. I speak of the rhetoric we are hearing. It would seem we are slamming the NRA based on questionable leadership, but the purpose remains the same. Remove or change the leadership and we will still have the NRA, but well run. While there is NRA turmoil within the membership, the enemy will work harder; thinking they are making headway.

Not much different with eh USA. When the leadership is bad and there is great turmoil within the "membership", the enemy sees this as a weakness and works harder; thinking they ar making headway.

In both cases, "we the people" need to make it very clear that we still support the NRA / USA and we will not allow anyone or any group to take advantage of the situation.

My point is how "we" respond to the situation, not that it does not exist. How we respond will either allow the enemy to take advantage or not. The NRA has done some stupid stuff. The USA has done stupid stuff. In either case a show of support for each will benefit all. A lack of open support will give the enemy an advantage to make things worse. Talking crap about the USA gives the enemy fuel. Talking crap about the NRA likewise gives the enemy fuel.

BTW, I agree we should be critical of what we support and demand ethical behavior. I agree. What I don't agree with is the negative, non-supportive rhetoric from members and others who are bashing the NRA rather than ethically criticizing them. The diffrence is in the rhetoric. I make sure people know I still support the NRA but at the same time, want positive change.
You make a very compelling point by comparing internal strife to external reaction. Where we may depart (slightly) is in the importance of encouraging internal conflict in order to demonstrate to outliers that we have control and take necessary steps.

Those outside the organization, be they any of those mentioned, have to be impressed, I think, when constituents right the ship.

That's my thought, and I appreciate yours as well.
 
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