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Difficult and complex situation.
But i still do not want our sons and daughters dying over there anymore.
500 years from now these uncivilized tribes will still be fighting over the same hunk of sand or some slight from 2,000 years ago.
We can't fix it, so lets stay out.
The only reason we backed the Kurds is because they were also fighting ISIS. The enemy of my enemy is my friend syndrome.
No one in that region gives a rat's ass about the USA except maybe Israel.
 

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We 'abandoned' the Hmong, Tho, Muong, T'ai, Nung and Yao; all Montagnard tribes. Abandoning the Kurds is merely carrying on a tradition, of sorts. Expect an influx of Kurdish refugees. It will help salve the consiouses of those giving the abandonment orders.
 
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News reports say boots are on the ground and have crossed the border. The Kurds were calling for air support and we told them their was none. Don't have real strong opinions. I rely on the opinions of experts and it looks like the Generals and others more learned on the subject say we should stay. I can see not spending blood and treasure and in a way forcing more participation by those closer like out European and middle eastern friends.

The Kurds sound like a formidable force on the ground. They helped us in the past and after we left they paid the price like the gassing by Saddam. We should support the Kurds somehow I just don't know how.
 

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Turkey has been our ally for 67 years. Are we to have made war on them on behalf of our Kurdish ally of convenience for a couple of years? If the Kurds attack Turkey, the Turks could invoke their mutual self defense clause and we'd be fighting the Kurds.

The Kurds were the enemy of our enemy: ISIS. We worked together for convenience,clearing territory they want for a national homeland. Why we should defend them from the Turks had not been exp!aimed in any way adequately. Why should one American be killed for the Kurds? Or the Turks? Erdogan is an Islamic fascist and a Trojan Horse inside NATO. Why should we referee fights between people that have been killing each other since before America was discovered?

No more American kids dead in Shittistans for no reason directly related to our national security.
 

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> Barack Hussein Obama II is an American attorney and (community organizer) who served as the 44th president of the United States from 2009 to 2017.
> Arab Spring
wave of pro-democracy protests and uprisings that took place in the Middle East and North Africa
beginning in 2010 and 2011, challenging some of the region’s entrenched authoritarian regimes.

Demonstrators expressing political and economic grievances faced violent crackdowns by their countries’ security forces.
For detailed coverage of the Arab Spring in individual countries,
seeJasmine Revolution (Tunisia),
Egypt Uprising of 2011
Yemen Uprising of 2011—12
Libya Revolt of 2011
and
Syria Uprising of 2011—12
https://www.britannica.com/event/Arab-Spring

The goals of U.S. President Barack Obama in the Middle East ended the rule of most of the "secular" Arab leaders in the area.
His views may have come, partly at least, from propaganda on why Muslim people supposedly lacked freedom there.
Obama appears to have been told that if all these secular dictators could be brought down, a magnificent Arab Spring would blossom.
This was, it seems, precisely the goal of the Muslim Brotherhood: to get America's help to topple the dictatorships -- then mostly military and secular -
- but then to replace them with themselves, Islamists.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9245/america-arab-spring

August 2013: Obama asks Congress to approve strikes; proposal lacks support In response to the chemical weapons attack, the Obama administration signaled that the president was considering “limited” military intervention in Syria.
Obama said he wanted Congress to authorize the attack, saying he was “mindful that I’m the president of the world’s oldest constitutional democracy.”
Not yet working in government, Donald Trump took to Twitter to urge Obama to warn against involving the United States in the conflict.
The proposal to take military action met with skepticism from some members of both parties in Congress, especially the House, which was controlled by Republicans.
September 2013: U.S. reaches deal with Russia to curtail Syria’s chemical weapons In early September, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee advanced a proposal granting Obama the authority to take some military action against Syria.
But momentum for a full Senate vote on such a resolution soon faded, and Congress never authorized Obama to use force.
Instead, the United States and Russia, an ally of Assad’s regime, hashed out a deal setting a mid-2014 deadline for removing or destroying Syria’s chemical weapons.

September 2014: Congress approves plan to arm Syrian rebels; Obama orders airstrikes
Later in the year, Obama asked lawmakers to approve his plan for the United States to arm and train rebels in Syria to fight the Islamic State in the region. Congress approved it with bipartisan support.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/timeline-united-states-response-syria-civil-war-237011

And never forget
2012 Benghazi attack Islamic militants associated with an al-Qaedaaffiliateassaults on a U.S. diplomatic compound and a nearby CIAannex
in the city of
Benghazi, Libya, on September 11—12, 2012, which resulted in the deaths of four Americans, including the U.S. ambassador to Libya–the first violent death of a U.S. ambassador since 1988.
https://www.britannica.com/event/2012-Benghazi-attacks
There is a lot of evidence tying it into the Syrian timeline.

So our troops have been there since 2013 for sure.
Were we to stay forever?
I am going to trust POTUS Trump planning and decision.








 

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Step one: Remove all US personnel and equipment from Incirlik airbase. No need for them to become pawns in a political pissing match.

Step two: Get rid of Erdogan. Sanctions, covert action, maybe take a page from Tom Clancy's "Executive Orders". He need to go.
 

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The Syrian Kurds allied with us in their homeland because we shared a common interest in wiping out the head-lopping freak show that was ISIS. Moreover, all Kurds are not equal. \
The PKK – the Kurdistan Workers' Party – are a bunch of commie terrorists who have been fighting the Turks for a long time.
Those reds are no friends of ours, and it’s their antics that seem to be inspiring the Turkish campaign.
I have little use for the Turks, but they aren’t just picking this fight for Schiffs and giggles.
The fact that it’s all so confusing is a really, really good reason for us to stay the hell out of it.
https://townhall.com/columnists/kur...-trump-keeps-word-about-no-more-wars-n2554328[SUB][/SUB]
 

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