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Liberals Want to Grab Guns...but Who Will Do the Grabbing?

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Christopher Skeet
September 16, 2019


I don't think I'm alone when I say it's frustrating having the same conversation over and over and over again. I'm frustrated trying to explain the difference between a semi-automatic and a "military-style assault" weapon, parrying asinine retorts of how our Founding Fathers "only had muskets," and being told by strangers what weapons I "don't need." I'm frustrated with citing statistical evidence showing that the vast majority of gun violence in America is the result of suicides and of criminals who have obtained their guns illegally. I'm frustrated with trying to justify my personal choices to people who are completely ignorant about guns and who are completely unwilling to learn.

I'm frustrated because it's an exercise in futility. They return the very next day to push their very same debunked talking points that I've spent the last conversation refuting. Deploying factual evidence works only when dealing with people for whom factual evidence is valued, acknowledged, and conceded. When they simply ignore it and continue to talk over you, there is no benefit in trying to make them see reason. It is like talking to a brick wall.

If reducing gun violence were an honest aim of the Left, leftists would follow the evidence where it leads. But leftists oppose gun ownership not out of any heartfelt reaction to mass shootings (though they routinely go through the necessary public genuflections). They don't care about dead students, dead Walmart shoppers, dead worshipers, dead police, or dead black Americans. They don't care about getting help for the mentally ill. They care about the consolidation of political power into a centralized totalitarian entity, which they arrogantly assume they possess the competence to administer.

Lawmakers such as state senator Julie Morrison (D-Ill.) have smugly threatened mass confiscation, and others such as Senator Cory Booker (D-N.J.) and Senator Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) have suggested prosecution and prison time for noncompliance with mandatory buyback programs. During the September 12 debate, the floundering Robert Francis O'Rourke (D-Nowhere) gazed up from his water bong to yelp, "Hell, yes, we are going to take your AR-15!"

Scary words, to be sure. But these threats raise the question of who exactly they plan on sending out to do the actual confiscating. Do something! they scream from the podiums and across the Twittersphere, with no intention of ever actually doing that "something" themselves. The bell-collared audience who noisily bleated their approval for O'Rourke's rhetorical feed bucket? They're not going to "do something," either, other than demand someone else do it.

That's the job of the police, they say? Good luck with that. Out of the 250 million adults living in the United States, approximately one third of them own one or more guns. That's over 80 million doors for police to bust down in unconstitutional searches and seizures (these would be clear violations of the Fourth Amendment, but we wouldn't even be having this discussion if the Bill of Rights were something the Left even pretended to respect).

Like combat soldiers, police can refuse orders they deem immoral or unconstitutional. Polls continuously show (here, here, and here) that police overwhelmingly support the right of law-abiding citizens to own semi-automatic rifles, including AR-15s. So how successful will be the efforts of the anti-police Left to convince the very same officers they hate to bust into American homes to steal guns the police think they have a right to own? The growing trend of elected sheriffs and officials creating Second Amendment sanctuaries by publicly opting to not enforce unconstitutional gun laws should give pause to leftists who feel that America's police will do their dirty work for them.

Even if a hypothetical Presidente O'Rourke were able to cajole every American police officer to act as his own personal Stasi, such a force would still be inadequate for the task of disarming millions of gun-owners. This reality is amplified by the fact that about three quarters of gun-owners say gun ownership is essential to their freedom, giving a sense of just how much non-compliance such an effort would encounter.

Nor should they count on the members of a woke population to voluntarily disarm themselves. The much touted New Zealand buyback program has confiscated under 10% of known banned weapons. Mandatory registration laws in deep blue Connecticut, New York, and California have garnered compliance rates of 15%, 4%, and 3%, respectively. This is not even for confiscation, but for registration only. How well do they think buyback programs will fare in Texas or Ohio?

Nope. If they want guns confiscated, they'll have to do it themselves.

Their hesitation isn't from lack of logistical capability. The one skill in which the Left exudes competence is the capacity to organize people. Leftists organized volunteers to act as human shields for Saddam's oil fields in 2003. They organize the Occupy squatter cities and the state capitol rotunda takeovers. They organize speaker shout-downs, the campus shutdowns, and the Antifa blackshirts who terrorize our streets. They organize the mobs who pull down statues, who chase conservatives out of restaurants, and who threaten the homes of Tucker Carlson and Mitch McConnell. If they're so insistent on disarming the populace, they have the means and enmity to attempt it. What they lack, unsurprisingly, is courage to match their convictions.

I say "attempt." Most gun-owners realize that gaggles of welterweight pajama boys vacillating aimlessly between the 14th and 37th genders aren't going to don the tactical helmets and pick up the battering rams any time soon, even if they physically could. Robert Francis O'Rourke certainly isn't going to put down his sippy cup to lead the charge. Yes, they're all very tough when dozens of them, while masked, are able to beat unarmed reporters or harass 9/11 widows, knowing full well their city's law enforcement has been ordered by their socialist mayor not to intervene. But as for breaking into unfamiliar houses to steal from heavily armed and highly motivated citizens? The day they try is the day they learn what actual "resistance" looks like.

Do something? We agree. Do something.




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if it were to ever come down to this i think this would be a "some people did something" kind of day.
And some people had a very bad day
I wouldn’t be so optimistic.
When confiscations occur, they will be done by special units, very loyal to the left, specially trained and best equipped modern days Redcoats.
By the time, we will have very little support from the majority of the population due to the massive brainwashing and declaring us public enemies.
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I wouldn’t be so optimistic.
When confiscations occur, they will be done by special units, very loyal to the left, specially trained and best equipped modern days Redcoats.
By the time, we will have very little support from the majority of the population due to the massive brainwashing and declaring us public enemies.


There are roughly 80 million gun owners in this country. If just 1% resisted with force that would be 800,000 incidents. How do you think that would go over? Even the liberal media couldn't hide that.
There are roughly 80 million gun owners in this country. If just 1% resisted with force that would be 800,000 incidents. How do you think that would go over? Even the liberal media couldn't hide that.
"According to the census of June 16, 1933, the Jewish population of Germany.. was approximately 505,000 people out of a total population of 67 million, or somewhat less than 0.75 percent."
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/germany-jewish-population-in-1933
"According to the census of June 16, 1933, the Jewish population of Germany.. was approximately 505,000 people out of a total population of 67 million, or somewhat less than 0.75 percent."
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/germany-jewish-population-in-1933



Many differences there. Most didn't realize they were going to be exterminated until it was too late. Secondly that's the whole population of jews, You would need to take 1% of that number(505,000) to make a comparison which is just over 5,000 people. Lastly the most important part is for the most part they were already unarmed. There were some resistance but not enough. Another big difference is media. Back then the German Govt controlled the media(which was mainly newspapers and radio) versus today when something happens it's on the news, twitter, FB and a bunch of other places literally within minutes of the event, many times before it's even over.
^^^^^^ Back in the 1930s, 1940s, 1950s and into the 1960s, people trusted the government, which is part of the reasons Jews became easy targets early on. Nowadays, trust in the government is almost non-existent.
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I'm sure we will hear from the newly "taught" police, geheime staatspolizie, from our schools, which don't teach the important parts of history " wir machen nur unsere Arbeit!" - We're just doing our jobs.
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"Robert Francis (Beto-boi) O'Rourke certainly isn't going to put down his sippy cup to lead the charge. Yes, they're all very tough when dozens of them, while masked, are able to beat unarmed reporters or harass 9/11 widows, knowing full well their city's law enforcement has been ordered by their socialist mayor not to intervene. But as for breaking into unfamiliar houses to steal from heavily armed and highly motivated citizens? The day they try is the day they learn what actual "resistance" looks like."

'nuff said..............
I wouldn’t be so optimistic.
When confiscations occur, they will be done by special units, very loyal to the left, specially trained and best equipped modern days Redcoats.
By the time, we will have very little support from the majority of the population due to the massive brainwashing and declaring us public enemies.
Just a small point here. The number of troopers coming to get those AR’s from those understanding guys in the hunting states, will be reduced with every attempted confiscation. Let’s not forget that the third largest standing army in the WORLD are the Michigan hunters. These guys will give them a fight the likes of which they’ve never contemplated.
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Just a small point here. The number of troopers coming to get those AR’s from those understanding guys in the hunting states, will be reduced with every attempted confiscation. Let’s not forget that the third largest standing army in the WORLD are the Michigan hunters. These guys will give them a fight the likes of which they’ve never contemplated.
Even if no one is shot, the numbers will go down with each new confiscation. More Americans will get disgusted and abandon the government.
Liberals Want to Grab Guns...but Who Will Do the Grabbing?
Probably the kind of National guard that's making headlines these days, the kind that thinks an said Trump is a pimp. Her and many like her will be the first to bust down your door for your guns, why because they're liberals and they believe only the elites should be armed
Liberals Want to Grab Guns...but Who Will Do the Grabbing?


Probably the kind of National guard that's making headlines these days, the kind that thinks an said Trump is a pimp. Her and many like her will be the first to bust down your door for your guns, why because they're liberals and they believe only the elites should be armed
Interesting thought...this amounts to kicking down their neighbors doors. That will get ugly pretty quick.
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There are plenty of cops who would do the grabbing, and there are plenty of neighbors, who would rat out gun owners too. This ain't the America of 1970 friends,and it is a lot worse than you think.
I don't trust people anymore, and the gun grab that the Democrats are trying to gin up, has a precedent. Look at Soviet Russia, it was full of rats, and that is what the gun haters are counting on.
If it ever comes, you won't believe your eyes, and you won't be able to trust anyone. The police ranks will swell by the millions, if and when that is needed.
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There are plenty of cops who would do the grabbing, and there are plenty of neighbors, who would rat out gun owners too. This ain't the America of 1970 friends,and it is a lot worse than you think.
I don't trust people anymore, and the gun grab that the Democrats are trying to gin up, has a precedent. Look at Soviet Russia, it was full of rats, and that is what the gun haters are counting on.
If it ever comes, you won't believe your eyes, and you won't be able to trust anyone. The police ranks will swell by the millions, if and when that is needed.
Yep, like I said, it will get ugly pretty quick.
Interesting thought...this amounts to kicking down their neighbors doors. That will get ugly pretty quick.
Just magine another obama or worse as president and liberal leaning national guardsmen/women
Just magine another obama or worse as president and liberal leaning national guardsmen/women
Obama I don’t have to imagine, got plenty of bad memories. There are a lot of lefties now already too. Thankfully, there are a lot of good solid folks too.
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The first guy on the confiscation squad about to come for mine. Human Jacket Outerwear Cool Suit
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There are plenty of cops who would do the grabbing, and there are plenty of neighbors, who would rat out gun owners too. This ain't the America of 1970 friends,and it is a lot worse than you think.
I don't trust people anymore, and the gun grab that the Democrats are trying to gin up, has a precedent. Look at Soviet Russia, it was full of rats, and that is what the gun haters are counting on.
If it ever comes, you won't believe your eyes, and you won't be able to trust anyone. The police ranks will swell by the millions, if and when that is needed.
I recently had a home-health nurse in the house who saw the remnants of a preparedness project I was working on. From just that she told us that she and her husband a preppers and want to be friends and maybe become bug-out partners. I'm sure she and her husband are very nice people - he's retired Army; she was an Army nurse for 10 years. I would bet money that they're completely legit and that we'd get along great and could become great friends and share our love of the country and our hopes for the future.

Just the same, and as much as I'd like to have friends with similar interests, we passed on the offer. There's not enough time left for me to make a new friend and trust them enough to share the details of my life, my plans, or my hopes for the future. As much as I hope and believe there are those who I could trust, I would never trust another human being that much. I've seen too much of people saying all the things they would do to defend themselves and their families to ever trust that any person would not turn me in as an enemy of the state just to get themselves a free lunch.
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