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I admit i'm one of these guys that tend to think there's something wrong with this and here's why.
At first I was like holy crap with my health if I catch this I die, my GF works with public (RONA) Lowe's and peoples being peoples and government saying that hardware stores must stay open for god knows the reason I was scared.
Peoples were scrounging for N-95 masks (not sure of the number) cause this was the only thing that could save you and of course it rapidly went to oh, blue hospital masks are ok then the health minister up here was saying (still says) you can craft your own mask out of what ever.... to be precise.

Now for the spread of this thing, most cases up here were located in old folks homes to be precise 2 or 3 old folks homes, they were dropping like flies and they decided to close them. At that time intensive care in hospitals were getting a lot of heat and liberal media were keeping tb on the death toll and that too began to feel a little odd, they were adding up peoples infected and peoples dead but never have I seen peoples who got better and after how long so these folks catching it and who got rid of it were still in the infected numbers

My sister in law works in a hospital here in Montreal helping peoples with papers and forms, she was tested positive, sent home and she was back to work 2 weeks after still with a little headache but the test showed negative, she's the sickly type, depressed, the librarian type of peoples and she said it was kind of like the flu, fever headaches and feeling tired, that was her covid symptoms if it was.

Right now I'm really leaning towards the peoples not believing the virus is as dangerous as it is said to be, NOT saying there's nothing out there but is it SO bad that governments screw up the economy for it , I would think for that reason you would see dead people bodies in the streets and guys in full hazmat suit covering them up with that white stuff.

The mask sounds more and more like a submission to the will of the government icon rather than a way to keep safe, cause let's face it, a layer of T shirt isn't going to do sh** to protect you from a virus no more than a blue hospital mask that's not fitting to your face.

What bugs me right now is why do they insist that it is so bad when peoples are gathering up against the mask, without masks, not counting peoples who are clueless of the simplest hygiene practice like washing your hands, not sticking your nose picker in it etc. and numbers of peoples in intensive care are almost nonexistent unlike when it all started..... it almost seem like it was planted and now it's dying.
 

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Im with you to a certain extent but Herman Cain may not be.
 
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I agree with you fully Kobs,Here is Ireland people are so laxed about the virus,they think its gone,so they are waiting for everyone to get back to normal,

on the 12th of march the government closed down the pubs of Ireland,they taught this would slow the spread of the pandemic,it didn't,the pandemic got higher and higher,people in nursing homes were dropping like flys,goverment stopped people travelling ,we could only travel 2k or unless we needed to go shopping,,the government had a plan,not a great plan but a plan all the same,they would shut down our small country and slowly reopen it over a few months,the older people [50 to 70s] were more cautious towards the virus,they stayed indoors,the younger version didn't give much thought to it,they got on with it,no 2 meter distance from one another,groups of people everywhere,nothing to do and all day to do it,shops were packed every day,people were panic buying,eggs milk flour and bleach were the top sellers,top supermarkets told everyone no need to panic buy as their warehouses were full with stock,but did people listen,no,for nearly a month this went on.

One month passed since the country closed down and then government of Ireland decided to oplen up the country in phases ,first our travel distance was extended to 5k,pubs and clubs and hotels remained shut,country was in lockdown,and after another few weeks government decided to reopen the pubs,but only the pubs that served food,[dinners and lunches],and only 2 to a table,and you could get a drink provided you were getting a meal,and the time limit was 95 minutes you could stay in a pub,. so I,ll move on a little,

We are getting there slowly but surely,only thing is all pubs were to reopen on the 20th of july and as Ireland is a drinking country,everyone one was so looking forward to getting out and socialising but this wasn't going to happen,goverment decided not to reopen ordinary pubs till 10th of august ,because the start of August is a bank holiday weekend and people tend to go out and enjoy the freedom of been off work and get totally pissed,[well we are only human],so if you ever visited Ireland on a bank holiday weekend you would know what Dublin city is like,its like a cattle market,pubs are full to the brim,..so do I think we will get over this pandemic and move on from this,i suppose we will eventually,but I would say to you all out there ,don't throw away your masks just yet,i don't think this virus is gone,i think its lingering there waiting to interduce us to round 2,

take care everyone...and stay safe .
 

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Im with you to a certain extent but Herman Cain may not be.
I know, there has been a ton of death, like I said (for reason unknown) it seem like it all started with old folks home here, I know i'm going off in the field with this but ... why? and why was it so strong when it started (intensive care and respirators) and now it seems no one is getting it, or peoples testing positive only have flu like symptoms as if "someone" planted it... and it's dying. I'm also afraid of the second wave, but I'm more afraid of who the F** is responsible for it

I know conspiracy theories, but there's something big under all this and we will all know soon enough
 

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the mask has become so political......when it should not be....

in all honestly, when it comes to close quarters/face to face....a std mask will protect the wearer from a non-masked infected person for 2 minutes.....a n95 mask will protect for 10 minutes. (that from our county head doctor in a meeting about Court policy and procedures for covid)

the big thing about the mask as far as i am concerned is to think of it in the same manner as the handkerchief....but instead of using it only for coughs/sneeze......it is used also to limit the projection of particles from conversations and breathing...and it is the asymptomatic carriers that most are worried about.

now.....will that 2 or 10 minute personal protection be lengthened if both parties are wearing a mask? Will it further lengthen if the six foot rule is observed?......i would think so......not make you immune....but give more time as i see it.

we were raised to turn our head away from someone and cover our mouth/nose when we sneeze/cough as that simple act was taught to us as a way to protect others and to be polite......taking the politics out of it i see the mask as no different than from being polite......will it work or not?....maybe/maybe not....but it is still being polite and considerate.

but politics are involved......politics has nothing to do with being polite and considerate.....there is no law on the books to turn your head and cover when you cough/sneeze......but now there are laws about wearing a mask concerning covid. So is it being considerate/polite to wear a mask or is it a political statement.....

does compliance means lives are saved?
does compliance mean liberty is lost?


Around here, its running now roughly 50/50.....in a very red republican heavy county. When i am asked about why i wear a mask i simply say i am around a lot of old folks that appreciate it and my wife is high risk......they then usually nod their heads and drop the subject. Any further conversation getting into politics would be like arguing with a fence post.

the Country is that divided.......
 

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the Country is that divided.......

Same here, folks who are VERY affraid like my wife will give me all kinds of sh** when I argue her way of thinking but facts ( or confusion) remains, when high ranking peoples of the government (and I'm talking here) are affirming on national TV that the mask will not help, and a few weeks later the same peoples are giving the green light to police officer to arrest peoples not wearing masks while ordering at a fast food place which has a plexiglass protected counter makes me think it's more than a civil protection thing, it's a "you will do what you're told without question" thing whether there's a danger or not
 

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I agree with you fully Kobs,Here is Ireland people are so laxed about the virus,they think its gone,so they are waiting for everyone to get back to normal,

on the 12th of march the government closed down the pubs of Ireland,they taught this would slow the spread of the pandemic,it didn't,the pandemic got higher and higher,people in nursing homes were dropping like flys,goverment stopped people travelling ,we could only travel 2k or unless we needed to go shopping,,the government had a plan,not a great plan but a plan all the same,they would shut down our small country and slowly reopen it over a few months,the older people [50 to 70s] were more cautious towards the virus,they stayed indoors,the younger version didn't give much thought to it,they got on with it,no 2 meter distance from one another,groups of people everywhere,nothing to do and all day to do it,shops were packed every day,people were panic buying,eggs milk flour and bleach were the top sellers,top supermarkets told everyone no need to panic buy as their warehouses were full with stock,but did people listen,no,for nearly a month this went on.

One month passed since the country closed down and then government of Ireland decided to oplen up the country in phases ,first our travel distance was extended to 5k,pubs and clubs and hotels remained shut,country was in lockdown,and after another few weeks government decided to reopen the pubs,but only the pubs that served food,[dinners and lunches],and only 2 to a table,and you could get a drink provided you were getting a meal,and the time limit was 95 minutes you could stay in a pub,. so I,ll move on a little,

We are getting there slowly but surely,only thing is all pubs were to reopen on the 20th of july and as Ireland is a drinking country,everyone one was so looking forward to getting out and socialising but this wasn't going to happen,goverment decided not to reopen ordinary pubs till 10th of august ,because the start of August is a bank holiday weekend and people tend to go out and enjoy the freedom of been off work and get totally pissed,[well we are only human],so if you ever visited Ireland on a bank holiday weekend you would know what Dublin city is like,its like a cattle market,pubs are full to the brim,..so do I think we will get over this pandemic and move on from this,i suppose we will eventually,but I would say to you all out there ,don't throw away your masks just yet,i don't think this virus is gone,i think its lingering there waiting to interduce us to round 2,

take care everyone...and stay safe .
I keep watching for Temple Bar to open. I watch the web cams. The world was shutting down, and Temple was still packed, but they eventually shut down. I miss watching the goings on. The little cafe across the street is open!
 

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Anyone keeping tabs on a legit place to see if peoples are still falling like flies? ...meaning dying
I know all the liberal owned TV station aren't reliable
 

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Im with you to a certain extent but Herman Cain may not be.
Herman Cain was a great guy but he was a stage IV cancer survivor. In 2006, he was diagnosed with stage IV colon cancer and given a 30% chance of survival. He probably had other comorbidities. Anymore, if you test positive for Covid-19 and die, they add it as a Covid-19 death. The statistics have been skewed way "out of whack"!
 

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My 2¢ says the mask requirement is a mental diversion that you'll somehow be safer, like when we were getting under our desks, in case there was a nuclear attack. While making it appear that the "experts" are on top of the situation and somehow know how to address the problem. Our best defense against the COVID-19 virus is our own immune systems, the same as if we were dealing with the seasonal flu and cold. As with any other virus, if you're sick or have the sniffles, stay home, take your Rx and get some rest.

I also suspect that if this happened in any other year than an election year, this would get the same news coverage as Colon Kaopectate's job prospects.

And if President Trump hadn't said a word about Hydroxychloroquine cocktail, we would have been already regularly prescribing that drug as the treatment for COVID-19.

Politics is pushing the narrative.
 
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I'm sure some of you watched or listened to the Barr hearing the other day. Did anyone notice they had a mandatory mask requirement unless you were speaking. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but don't you expel much more saliva particles when you're speaking versus just sitting there and breathing....I listened to the covid hearing today but missed some of it and not sure if they had that same rule or not.
 

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I'm taking oil of Oregano to help ward off corona.
 
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You can't trust the numbers they have been putting out. Some people have reported that they scheduled to take the test but was waiting too long so they left. Then somehow they got reported as having taken the test. One testing facility reported 100% tested positive.
 

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You can't trust the numbers they have been putting out. Some people have reported that they scheduled to take the test but was waiting too long so they left. Then somehow they got reported as having taken the test. One testing facility reported 100% tested positive.

The other thing not mentioned is the people who take multiple tests. If you test positive and then two weeks later you need to test negative 2 times before returning to work and get out of quarantine. Many of those people will test positive again or sometimes several times. Those test are all counted individually, not 3 positives to one person. Also how many falses positives(or negatives) occur? I've heard numbers all over the place on this.
 

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My little doggies' kisses prevent coronavirus.

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On a side note they have trained dogs that can sniff out infected people.
 

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Im with you to a certain extent but Herman Cain may not be.
Herman was also a Stage 4 cancer victim, therefore a very weakened immune system; in his case the everyday flu would be deadly
 
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My thoughts:
  • This is a new virus. We don't know enough about it yet to be sure of anything.
  • The experts don't agree, because 1) It's new and they haven't had the chance to do years of double-blind, peer review studies on it, AND 2) Some of them are caving to political forces.
  • Politicians are using this for their own purposes, "not letting a crisis go waste." That is influencing the numbers and the reactions.
  • Masks may not help as much as they say, but it makes sense that they may help some. It is all about reducing risk, not a 100% solution. Besides, it's the rule where I am, so I do it.
  • The counting is probably wrong, but even so, a lot of people have gotten this and a lot of have died. If we don't do things that may help reduce risk, a lot more will get infected and die.
  • I am coming up on 68 and I have respiratory conditions. If I get it, it may very well kill me. I am taking the recommended precautions and I appreciate when others do the same. But I want to live the life I have and I will not isolate myself in a bubble.
  • I don't know which experts to believe, but I darn sure know I don't take serious health advice from people on internet gun forums, no offense to present company.
  • I am getting really tired of people on gun forums thinking they are experts on this, when even the real experts don't know. There are a lot of uncertainties in life and this is one of them.
So, as the saying goes, "Here's your sign"
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I believe that everyone will sooner or later be exposed. I would rather it be sooner rather than later. 3 weeks ago I attended a family wedding with 52 people. Only 3 were wearing a mask. There was a lot of hugging, kissing, and hand shaking. At least 9 of us were over 70 (3 over 80). Had this NOT been a election year, there would be no "lock-downs" this late. Even the teacher's union is saying "no school until November".
 
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