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Hey everyone, as my first post I thought I'd ask about legal burst fire, or full auto, however the ATF wants to call it, but I want 3 round burst and not full auto

I bought a stripped AR15 lower, I live in VA, the lower is going to an FFL and I want to build this rifle and have it 3 round burst capable. Does anyone know the legal avenue to do the build?? Is it simply going through the ATF? is it even possible to find the sear and trigger?
 

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It's a Class III weapon and will have to conform to the ATF requirements as well as the requirements for your state, assuming you can build a new one at all.

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thanks, do you know anyone that makes the triggers/sears? is it any similar to buying a silencer? i.e. paperwork, registration, background check and tax stamp?? (yes I have one of those)
 

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Pray to the great Google god and your answers will come to you!

You are going to have to check with the BATF on the details BEFORE you start trying to buy stuff like that.

And nobody on this forum is going to help you sidestep any legal requirements.

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Yes it requires the proper ATF forms - BEFORE you start. Three round burst is the same as full auto in the eyes of the BATF; and unless you have the proper license (IIRC a SOT) you can't make a new auto weapon.
 

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I could be wrong but i don't think you can build one, pretty sure it would have to be a gun made prior May 1986. You see lots of people on youtube and such using newer machine guns but they usually on loan from places that sell to law enforcement and are called dealer samples. You can simply buy one if you have deep enough pockets and of course can pass all the background checks, do all the proper paperwork and pay the tax stamp.
 

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Buy one? Parts to make one? It’s easy. Simply join the marines and they’ll give you one. You could take a course in advanced machining and build what ever you want. Those skills will come in handy as you spend those many years making license plates.
 

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No, I’m not fishing, I appreciate the responses, but I did try google and as stated before all I found was that it would have to be made before 1986 which is why I was curious if the proper steps were taken if it could be done

And I was in the army from 2000-2004 which is why I was interested in burst fire and not full auto
 

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No, I’m not fishing, I appreciate the responses, but I did try google and as stated before all I found was that it would have to be made before 1986 which is why I was curious if the proper steps were taken if it could be done

And I was in the army from 2000-2004 which is why I was interested in burst fire and not full auto
Thanks for your service and glad you're not fishing. You would be surprised at some of the fisherman that stroll in here from time to time.

Welcome and good luck.
 

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Ignorance of the LAW is no excuse and is how many get arrested for gun violations. I will start you out, but you get the rest yourself. You being former Military should know the Laws on firearms.

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§479.105 Transfer and possession of machine guns.

(a) General. As provided by 26 U.S.C. 5812 and 26 U.S.C. 5822, an application to make or transfer a firearm shall be denied if the making, transfer, receipt, or possession of the firearm would place the maker or transferee in violation of law. Section 922(o), Title 18, U.S.C., makes it unlawful for any person to transfer or possess a machine gun, except a transfer to or by, or possession by or under the authority of, the United States or any department or agency thereof or a State, or a department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or any lawful transfer or lawful possession of a machine gun that was lawfully possessed before May 19, 1986. Therefore, notwithstanding any other provision of this part, no application to make, transfer, or import a machine gun will be approved except as provided by this section.

(b) Machine guns lawfully possessed prior to May 19, 1986. A machine gun possessed in compliance with the provisions of this part prior to May 19, 1986, may continue to be lawfully possessed by the person to whom the machine gun is registered and may, upon compliance with the provisions of this part, be lawfully transferred to and possessed by the transferee.

(c) Importation and manufacture. Subject to compliance with the provisions of this part, importers and manufacturers qualified under this part may import and manufacture machine guns on or after May 19, 1986, for sale or distribution to any department or agency of the United States or any State or political subdivision thereof, or for use by dealers qualified under this part as sales samples as provided in paragraph (d) of this section. The registration of such machine guns under this part and their subsequent transfer shall be conditioned upon and restricted to the sale or distribution of such weapons for the official use of Federal, State or local governmental entities. Subject to compliance with the provisions of this part, manufacturers qualified under this part may manufacture machine guns on or after May 19, 1986, for exportation in compliance with the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2778) and regulations prescribed thereunder by the Department of State.

(d) Dealer sales samples. Subject to compliance with the provisions of this part, applications to transfer and register a machine gun manufactured or imported on or after May 19, 1986, to dealers qualified under this part will be approved if it is established by specific information the expected governmental customers who would require a demonstration of the weapon, information as to the availability of the machine gun to fill subsequent orders, and letters from governmental entities expressing a need for a particular model or interest in seeing a demonstration of a particular weapon. Applications to transfer more than one machine gun of a particular model to a dealer must also establish the dealer's need for the quantity of samples sought to be transferred.
(e) The making of machine guns on or after May 19, 1986. Subject to compliance with the provisions of this part, applications to make and register machine guns on or after May 19, 1986, for the benefit of a Federal, State or local governmental entity (e.g., an invention for possible future use of a governmental entity or the making of a weapon in connection with research and development on behalf of such an entity) will be approved if it is established by specific information that the machine gun is particularly suitable for use by Federal, State or local governmental entities and that the making of the weapon is at the request and on behalf of such an entity.
(f) Discontinuance of business. Since section 922(o), Title 18, U.S.C., makes it unlawful to transfer or possess a machine gun except as provided in the law, any qualified manufacturer, importer, or dealer intending to discontinue business shall, prior to going out of business, transfer in compliance with the provisions of this part any machine gun manufactured or imported after May 19, 1986, to a Federal, State or local governmental entity, qualified manufacturer, qualified importer, or, subject to the provisions of paragraph (d) of this section, dealer qualified to possess such, machine gun.
[T.D. ATF-270, 53 FR 10510, Mar. 31, 1988]

From the BATFE website. If you are afraid to go and find the answers by using your computer, use Tor and Tails and you can do so anonymously.

It would be Illegal for you build a machine gun at home period. You may only do so as a Manufacturer that sells to U.S. government entities or for Foreign Governments with approval. if you do the research, you will find this out.

Just trying to keep you out of prison!!!!!
 

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A binary trigger maybe? Get one of the ones that have safe/semi and binary selector.
 

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If you do this you will be breaking the Law. Anyone can buy machine gun parts, but usually the owners and gunsmiths to repair or replace worn parts.

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Just because you CAN, doesn't mean you SHOULD!!!!!


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This would be a better option right now before it is banned like the Bump Stock.


If You Want To Go Full Auto Without Spending $10,000 Or More On a “Machine Gun” These Triggers Are Your Best Choice!

The fact is that full-auto guns are super expensive.
These triggers that simulate full-auto are much, much less expensive and can do pretty much the same thing.
My only question – as always – would be reliability. But it looks like they’re pretty reliable.

Waste of ammunition in my opinion as we are not at War here. Go to Knob Creek and pay someone for the ammo to shoot full auto and enjoy as it would not benefit you in prison for 10 years.

Most NFA weapons are owned by gun dealers and some private individuals and I dare say ALL are in a GUN TRUST. IF you could find one for sale it would be VERY expensive and you would pay up front for the gun and then wait for the snail paced paperwork to be approved and returned after you pay the tax stamp on it then you could receive the gun and file for transfer to its place of residency. .

Then you would be susceptible to inspections by the BATFE at any time day or night and have to file for transfer notice papers anytime you want to move it around, say to the shooting range, if one (shooting range) would allow you to shoot full auto to start with. Not worth what it takes to own one much less be responsible for it.
 

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If you or anyone puts the third pin hole in the new receiver you bought, It is now a MACHINE GUN and ILLEAGAL!!!!

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This was for sale in Sweden for $500.00. Not Legal to import at this time!!
 

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So, is ot the inaccuracy of auto fire, which you desire, or it's overall impracticality, or the outrageous expense, or how it systematically trashes the internals of your rifle,
or the speed with which it wastes all your ammo, the thing about auto fire which you find so desirable?

Because so many people seem attracted to it.

Just curious.
 
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