Saw some at the gunshow today, they wouldn't let us handle them, only look at them in the box. For the price, I am going to bet they are not going to be a very reliable piece. They have a lifetime warranty, but you have to send the receipt in with it for repairs. And it looks like it is up to them if it gets covered under warranty or not. This is my personal view of these guns. I guess I would like to know if any one has actually owned one and how it performed. It was right at $160.00 for a NIB 9mm.