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Hey everyone I’m new here. (I’ve tried looking for this topic elsewhere in the forum with no luck so if this is the wrong place just let me know)

I’ve been wanting to buy an AR for some time now, but before I do that (money is tight) I thought I’d go a safer route for my first big purchase. I own a few hand guns and a good old ruger 10/22 but I’d like a nice SHTF rifle that isn’t technically an “assault rifle” something that isn’t so “scary” looking if some sort of authority we’re to come poking around someday. -

Ive been looking at Sks’s and Mini 14’s but I was curious what some of you thought. Any suggestions?
Ideally I’d like something with decent capacity and overall versatility (preferably with a good reputation)
I just don’t know enough yet so I was hoping someone could point me in the right direction.

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The SKS is a good work horse but it’s old technology. It only has a 10 round capacity, even though there are after market magazines up to 30 rounds. They just aren’t reliable accessories. The Mini 14 is super sweet and very reliable. You can get magazines from 5-30+ rounds. They fire the 223/5.56 so in a true SHTF scenario, ammo will be plentiful. The down side is that they don’t use AR mags so they aren’t a common mag. A real good SHTF weapon is a shotgun. You can get a pump or semi in some hunting configuration and in a matter of 30 minutes turn it into a real tactacool weapon. Magazine extensions and collapsible stocks just screw on. Nothing has more knock down power inside of 20 yards like a good 12ga. You can hunt for fun or survival with it as well as defend yourself. In the long run it will even cost you less.
 

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I'm a Ruger guy so yea mini 14, go for it.
 
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The title of your post was What if AR's were to be banned again.
If you are worried about the ban, why not look into another type of rifle.
Why not a nice lever action rifle most will hold 10 rounds. I have seen some videos of them being used for defensive purposes.
With practice they can be very quick but longer to reload than a mag.
Or how about a nice M1 Garand. Our boys in WW2 used them very effectively.
I like to practice and train with a lot of different styles of rifles . Just never know what the future may bring.
Sometimes the old school is the best school, or the only school still left open
 

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Don't lie to yourself, gents: this time they will ban ALL military-looking semi-auto rifles, including M1 Garand, M1A1, SKS, Mini-14 and -30 or whatever "can hold multiple bullets".
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...ns-with-magazines-that-hold-multiple-bullets/

"Having assault weapons on the street and magazines carrying multiple bullets is irrational. There is no need for it, and your Second Amendment rights are in no way violated,” Biden told reporters in Iowa Monday.
 

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The SKS is a good work horse but it’s old technology. It only has a 10 round capacity, even though there are after market magazines up to 30 rounds. They just aren’t reliable accessories. The Mini 14 is super sweet and very reliable. You can get magazines from 5-30+ rounds. They fire the 223/5.56 so in a true SHTF scenario, ammo will be plentiful. The down side is that they don’t use AR mags so they aren’t a common mag. A real good SHTF weapon is a shotgun. You can get a pump or semi in some hunting configuration and in a matter of 30 minutes turn it into a real tactacool weapon. Magazine extensions and collapsible stocks just screw on. Nothing has more knock down power inside of 20 yards like a good 12ga. You can hunt for fun or survival with it as well as defend yourself. In the long run it will even cost you less.
Thanks for the feedback! Yeah I’ve been watching videos on the sks and although cool it seems pretty bulky and awkward and not practical for my purposes so it’s nice to have some reassurance on that. I’m leaning pretty heavily towards the mini at the moment as far as rifles go. But I’ve long wanted a nice shotgun and maybe with my budget that would be my best bet for now. My buddy got a mossberg shockwave a few years ago and I was all in on getting one but it never came to fruition. Not sure how effective it would be at hunting though haha. I should probably get something more practical.
 

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if you really want an AR......or if you really believe that you need an AR15........then get the AR along with a few mags. Any ban that comes down will most likely be a ban on further manufacture/retail of new ones......much like the original AWB was. And that only drove the rifles thru the roof price-wise.

personally, i am only considering the purchase of an AR to what amounts of me giving the middle finger to the democrats as in a "i'll show you" moment.........

but i don't really need it or want an AR......my riot gun is my top choice for serious social occasions......

instead i am in deep study on the Henry vs Rossi 92 vs Marlin 1894.....all in 357/38 special.....10 rds of 357 and old school compatibility with the handgun.....old west style that will fly under the radar and not offend the snow flakes and i can use for a future in CAS, or as a spare deer carbine.....or as a shtf carbine.....or just for the fun of it.
 
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I own a LOT of firearms. The actual number would shock a lot of folks. We have two EBRs (Evil Black Rifles). One, because Leedi wanted it (S&W AR15). The other one peaked my interest. (SIG M556) Because its basically an AK upper on an AR lower. Neither of these two carbines would be my choice should the feces contact the rotating blades.
 

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I don't think there will be an assault rifle ban. There will be more "voluntary" no-sell like Walmart did to protect its brand.

And, if a ban goes into effect, it will only be good if legislation is crafted to make possession illegal, rather a grandfather defense.

There are more ARs out there than Carter has little liver pills.

If ownership ban is coupled with a buyout plan, and a prohibition against manufacture and import, that might reduce the inventory some.

Anyway, even TALKING about a ban increases the value of ARs.

Buy now.

Sell later.
 

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It's better to be proactive than reactive. Let your lawmakers know what you want and tell them you do not want any bans on any so called assault weapons including AR's. I called my anti-gun rep McBath and let her know which probably fell on deaf wears. I can see the flunkie taking the call not making any note of my call.

I don't do it anymore maybe I should start up again. I used to write letters to my reps to express my views. I didn't use any boiler plate form letters. Most where hand written but I moved to typewriters and word processors. Snail mail stamps are expensive but probably cost effective. I still think a written letter has more effect than a call or email.
 

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Personally, and I may get flamed for this, I don't give a rat's patoot about "assault rifles." I never owned one, never cared to, never liked people who had them, won't go to a range with them, and so on.

For me, it's just not something I'm interested in and I'm not going to defend them.

I'm all about hunting and self-defense and plinking. That's it.

For those who feel passionate about the rifles, do what you gotta do.

Me? It's not that it don't care; it's just that it doesn't matter.

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Can we get a straight answer as to the difference between an assault rifle and an assualt weapon.
From Wiki:
An assault rifle is a rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge, a detachable magazine, and can switch between semi-automatic/fully automatic fire. Assault rifles are currently the standard service rifles in most modern armies.
By strict definition, a firearm must have the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle:[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][page needed][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][page needed][/SUP][SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][page needed][/SUP]

Rifles that meet most of these criteria, but not all, are technically not assault rifles, despite frequently being called such.
For example:

  • Select-fire M2 carbines and Amogh carbines are not assault rifles; their effective range is only 200 yards.[SUP][5][/SUP]
  • Select-fire rifles such as the FN FAL battle rifle are not assault rifles; they fire full-powered rifle cartridges.
  • Semi-automatic-only rifles like the Colt AR-15 are not assault rifles; they do not have select-fire capabilities.
  • Semi-automatic-only rifles with fixed magazines like the SKS are not assault rifles; they do not have detachable box magazines and are not capable of automatic fire.
assaualt weapon also from Wiki
Assault weapon is a term used in the United States to define some types of firearms.[SUP][1][/SUP] The definition varies among regulating jurisdictions but usually includes semi-automatic rifles with a detachable magazine, a pistol grip and sometimes other features such as a vertical forward grip, flash suppressor or barrel shroud.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] Some firearms are specified by name.[SUP][3][/SUP] At the time that the now-defunct Federal Assault Weapons Banpassed in 1994, the U.S. Department of Justice said, "In general, assault weapons are semiautomatic firearms with a large magazine of ammunition that were designed and configured for rapid fire and combat use."[SUP][3][/SUP]The origin of the term has been attributed to legislators, gun control groups, the media and the firearms industry.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][4][/SUP][SUP][5][/SUP][SUP][6][/SUP][SUP][7][/SUP] It is sometimes conflated with the term "assault rifle", which refers to selective-fire military rifles that can fire in automatic or burst mode.[SUP][5]

To me, there is a big difference. Anything is an assault weapon depending on how it is used.[/SUP]
 
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Personally, and I may get flamed for this, I don't give a rat's patoot about "assault rifles." I never owned one, never cared to, never liked people who had them, won't go to a range with them, and so on.

For me, it's just not something I'm interested in and I'm not going to defend them.

I'm all about hunting and self-defense and plinking. That's it.

For those who feel passionate about the rifles, do what you gotta do.

Me? It's not that it don't care; it's just that it doesn't matter.

Leaning into the wind. :popcorn2:
Why would anyone flame you for your personal choice? It's not the I-don't-want-one folks that bother us; it's the I-don't-want-one-so-you-can't-have-one crowd that we're concerned about.

I never wanted an ugly black rifle until Obama threatened to ban them, simply for being ugly and black. I never used one in the military (but I did use a 1911 and love those today) but some people did use similar rifles (real assault rifles) so they may have a fondness that goes beyond mine. I know on other forums, there are people who post pictures of their dozens of ARs. Good for them. They're no threat to me because they can only hold and shoot two at a time so why do I care how many someone has.

Personal choices. You choose none. Popeye and I choose two. Others choose dozens. No big deal.
 

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Personally, and I may get flamed for this, I don't give a rat's patoot about "assault rifles."


I felt the same way for awhile too. I basically grew up in a gun shop and my dad didn't care for them either. He would order anything you wanted but he didn't stock any of those type of guns except during the SKS craze in the 80's when you could sell them for $70 and make a profit. Of course when i was younger i got into the "assault rifle" craze and had a AR, AK, 30 carbine, several SKS's. Eventually i sold them all(wish i kept a couple as they are expensive guns now) and had no interest in them for a long time. About 6 years ago when NY passed the safe act and tried to ban them i decided i wanted one again. people generally want their freedom more when it's being removed. Anyway i built a few but they are compliant to NY laws so they either aren't semi auto or have those funky stocks, no threaded barrel etc. I also bought a saiga NY compliant AK which luckily was before the import ban on those. Over the years i gave grown to like and enjoy every type of firearm. I own stuff from smooth bore flintlocks to AR's and every type of gun in between. Everyone should care when they want to ban a certain type of gun because it's only a start to the next type of gun and then the next. If they get this you can bet semi auto handguns will be the next agenda and then pump shotguns. Many of the mass shootings that have happened could have easily been done with guns other than the EBR's(that's great popeye!). Adam lanza, columbine etc could have been done with handguns pump shotguns and even lever action guns. Those guns can be loading while still loaded and firing. The VA tech shooter used handguns and it was one of the biggest shooting we had. The vegas shooter could have used any rifle if he aimed his shoots instead of just spraying and praying. You may not care for AR's or other type rifles but i guarantee you will care when they come for your remington 7400, mossberg pump and 1911 pistol etc.
 

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Personally, and I may get flamed for this, I don't give a rat's patoot about "assault rifles." I never owned one, never cared to, never liked people who had them, won't go to a range with them, and so on.

For me, it's just not something I'm interested in and I'm not going to defend them.

I'm all about hunting and self-defense and plinking. That's it.

For those who feel passionate about the rifles, do what you gotta do.

Me? It's not that it don't care; it's just that it doesn't matter.

Leaning into the wind. :popcorn2:
I care about gun rights, even for guns i do not own or think I will never want.
Today it is the so-called assault rifle. You don't like them so it doesn't matter to you.
Tomorrow it may be something you do care about. Maybe that nice semi automatic pistol.
Then you will want everyone to care even the revolver guys .
Supporting gun rights and ownership to me is about everyones guns, not just mine.
 

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