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I just purchased a Springfield XDS 9mm and knew that I wanted talon grips before I even knew which gun I was gonna purchase. The issue was I'm impatient and hate ordering online and waiting for shipping, also being a poor college student I wanted to save a couple extra bucks so I stopped by the local skate shop and bought a sheet of skateboard griptape for $7. Ironically when I was watching an instructional video by talon I saw that the back of their pre-cut grip and it had the same label as the manufacturer of griptape I bought so already I felt good about this DIY project. I just Googled xds talon grip to find the pattern and printed it and it was almost identical in size to the stock grip when you cut it out and works as a 95% accurate stencil. With a few tweaks I made a stencil laid it on the griptape and carefully cut the pattern out with a razorblade. Everything else is just following the same instructions talon gives you to install their grips. I was very pleased with the results
 

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You can buy that tape anywhere they sell skate boards.

the problem with that tape, is if you shoot a 100 round at the range.. the heat generated by your hands loosens the glue on the tape.. although its a great coefficient of friction.. the adhesion changes between the tape and the grip... its also a mess to clean up and reapply.
 

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The only point I'm really getting at is if you have time and patience you can make the exact same grip as talon for a fraction of the cost. If installed right it forms to the grip and is melted on, I've never shot a firearm that heats the grip up to that extent not sure what you're shooting. All talon grips will wear out after a while and do need to be changed but a hair dryer and some alcohol swabs aren't that big of a deal. It feels better and changes the look. Positive feedback is always welcome though.
 

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AS a college student, you should know that positive feedback is nice but negative feedback is much more valuable... you question my input and asked what I am shooting as if it makes a difference... the point I was making is your hand gets warm and will sweat when gripping a gun and shooting 100 rounds or so over an afternoon at the range...the heat generated by your hand tightly gripping the gun, causes the glue to loose its adhesion... in engineering we do things called F.M.E.A. ( failure modes effect analysis ) we look at all the things that can go wrong with a design, more importantly then what is right with it... failures in the field can be costly.. I pointed out a pitfall to the otherwise positive coefficient of friction.. next time, if you don't want to know what a potential pitfall might be with your effort.. just post " Please only tell me nice things, no negative feedback needed...or just tell me what I want to hear.. I can handle sugar coating but cant handle the truth.

Not trying to be a meanie or a bully, just trying to offer my experience, and a heads up.. Welcome to the forum..
 

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Hey nice. I just got an XD Tactical and was contemplating doing something similar, although maybe not quite as extensive. Definitely the front of my trigger guard and certain places on the grip though. Did you shoot it before you applied the extra traction? Have you shot it since? How are things working so far?
 

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Regardless.....you did a nice job, its looks really good.
 

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What truth is that? That you go around the forum and finding ignorant things to say just because you are a self proclaimed engineer? These grips were made FOR when your hands get hot and sweaty. If this was such a problem why would so many veteran gun owners swear by them? Why after 5 years of my own experience has the problem never happened? The more I use them the more they form to the gun no matter how many rounds. I ask you what you carry because neither I or anyone I've come across has mentioned this problem nor have I heard of anyone saying that their grip gets that hot when they shoot in general. if youre really talking about the temperature your hand gets to when you shoot and a little sweat then many other talon owners would die laughing right now. If these grips moved everytime someone's hands get warm I don't think they would be so popular. And another funny thing is you thinking the gun should be able to move in someone's grip. If you think the gun moves in your hand that much to pull adhesion that requires a heat gun and slide the grip around maybe you shouldn't own a firearm because I know once mine is in my grip it's not moving not enough to where in the slight chance the grip might adjust that I would even notice it. And after much more than 100rds when the grips DO EVENTUALLY get worn down and need to be changed as many and almost all products in the world do wear down over time, all it takes is a little alcohol and a hair dryer sweetheart. Noone cares how much of an ignorant dick you can be. you might not like talon grips, this thread is for people that do. But thanks for a useless waste of time on something that had nothing to do with pros and cons of this product nor did it have to do with public opinion. Just a simple and informative way to show people how to save at least $10 on a grip. But you go on thinking you're a badass...loser.
 

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Hey nice. I just got an XD Tactical and was contemplating doing something similar, although maybe not quite as extensive. Definitely the front of my trigger guard and certain places on the grip though. Did you shoot it before you applied the extra traction? Have you shot it since? How are things working so far?
It's awesome! I did shoot it without and it just wasnt the feel i was looking for, mainly because im used to talon grips. I also shot without the extensions at first and didn't like it so I added them and loved it even more! All personsal preference though.
 

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I use skateboard tape on my XD 45 Tactical, rodney. I have done the exact same thing as you did.
i do find that, as ET said, the adhesive will loose its stickiness with heat. When that happens, buy a can of 3M Hi-Strenght 90 Spray Adheasive and spray the sticky side of your tape, let the glue tack up for a few minutes and stick them back on the gun.
 

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I have found that most (plastic) guns tend to be slick. I think this tape is a good idea and I have used it myself before. Never really had much trouble with it coming off.
It is hard on bare skin if you carry in a way that allows it to touch your skin.

You did nice work on this one. Looks good.
 

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I use skateboard tape on my XD 45 Tactical, rodney. I have done the exact same thing as you did.
i do find that, as ET said, the adhesive will loose its stickiness with heat. When that happens, buy a can of 3M Hi-Strenght 90 Spray Adheasive and spray the sticky side of your tape, let the glue tack up for a few minutes and stick them back on the gun.
Thank you for the tip. I've never had that happen, but now if it ever does I have way to fix it. Much appreciated.
 

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I have found that most (plastic) guns tend to be slick. I think this tape is a good idea and I have used it myself before. Never really had much trouble with it coming off.
It is hard on bare skin if you carry in a way that allows it to touch your skin.

You did nice work on this one. Looks good.
Thanks! I've noticed that usually the ones that peel or "move" are either really old or weren't installed right. I don't know really anyone that has had a problem either. it is hard on bare skin, but I always have an undershirt and now with the xds I can pocket carry if I don't have an undershirt.
 

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I use skateboard tape on my XD 45 Tactical, rodney. I have done the exact same thing as you did.
i do find that, as ET said, the adhesive will loose its stickiness with heat. When that happens, buy a can of 3M Hi-Strenght 90 Spray Adheasive and spray the sticky side of your tape, let the glue tack up for a few minutes and stick them back on the gun.
At my gun club ( 5000 members ) all these tricks come up all the time.. ( as if the OP of this tread ) was the first person to invent this " Cheap alternative " ... I would have stopped posting in this thread, but because this " child " Attacked my input and disrespected me.. I felt it important for him to know that I don't handle disrespect well... After 50 years of personal carry over my 70 years old life.. I have some experiences to offer to Men and woman who come to this forum.. not tle children with the cry baby gene.
AS you can see, in this very small thread, another member agreed that the tape does loose its adhesiveness over time.. but then we actually use our guns.. not throw them in a box..to collect dust. or to take them out to show that they own a gun.
 

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Posted 28 September 2014 - 02:38 PM
I bought the Dawson Precision Gen4 Grip Tape for my 34. It fits well and lasted a few weeks, but now is starting to come loose.

I cleaned the frame with rubbing alcohol before I applied it.

Dawson ships 3 sets, so I have another I can put on but are there any tricks to getting the adhesive to stay?

How can I keep the grip tape from coming loose?


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[HR][/HR] #2 dskinsler83

same problem with tape coming lose
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Posted 28 September 2014 - 02:39 PM
Stipple or Silicon carbide treatment

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Posted 28 September 2014 - 03:01 PM
I had the same problem




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Posted 28 September 2014 - 03:16 PM
Grip tape is always eventually going to come loose ... The only way to guarantee a permenant solution is to have a stippling job done

I get a little better every day ...

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The tape does effect the frictional coefficient.. that's a no brainer.. " BUT " it can come loose if you use the gun a lot... its gets sticky on the edges over time.. I just posted a few guys in a row from another forum, who found the same problem I found... there are hundreds of these negative post about grip tape coming loose from people who have tried it.. many deal with it and other have gone to stippling. I pointed out a simple short coming... and the kid went ballistic..
 
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