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The federal gun-free school zones law seems to make it impossible for someone to defend themselves in a school zone. 3(B)(B)(i) Allows an exception to discharging a firearm in a school zone if it occurs on private property. Would it be legal if a person has a CHL and is permitted to carry in a school zone to fire at an attacker if the person ran onto someone's lawn before firing and recorded the entire incident using the video recorder on their cell phone proving that they were attacked and were on private property when they discharged? The law doesn't seem to specify that it has to be your property or that you need permission to be there. I think the property owner could press charges for tresspassing, but probably not without having a sign posted. They might also understand the person's situation. It sucks to have to find loopholes to be able to legally defend oneself.
 

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To my knowledge, there are zero concealed carry permits for civilians that allow carry in a school zone. Furthermore it WILL be argued that if you were capable of using your cellphone to video, then you were fully capable of escaping.
 

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Federal Law Exempts CHL Holders.

To my knowledge, there are zero concealed carry permits for civilians that allow carry in a school zone. Furthermore it WILL be argued that if you were capable of using your cellphone to video, then you were fully capable of escaping.
Federal law exempts CHL holders from carrying a loaded handgun in a school zone. Secondly, I would be so concerned about the legality of defending myself in a so-called "safe zone" that I would start recording and clip my phone to my belt with the camera facing out as soon as I entered the school zone.
 

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Federal law exempts CHL holders from carrying a loaded handgun in a school zone. Secondly, I would be so concerned about the legality of defending myself in a so-called "safe zone" that I would start recording and clip my phone to my belt with the camera facing out as soon as I entered the school zone.
I'm a little tired tonight, and I cannot understand what you are saying about federal law exempting CHL holders from carrying in school zones. Can you explain that to me and maybe show me something about what you are saying?
 

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I would like to see a link to the Federal Statute that exempts civilian concealed carry license holders from the Federal ban which precludes civilian concealed carry license holders from carrying on school grounds.
 

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I would like to see a link to the Federal Statute that exempts civilian concealed carry license holders from the Federal ban which precludes civilian concealed carry license holders from carrying on school grounds.
Me too, Me Too!!! Cuz its usually STATE Law as well!!
 

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Me too, Me Too!!! Cuz its usually STATE Law as well!!
It is long, but worth a read. Also, my state (Oregon) exempts CHL holders from the state's prohibition on carrying a loaded weapon in a school zone.

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/44/922

2)(A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to
possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects
interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual
knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.
(B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a
firearm -
(i) on private property not part of school grounds;
(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do
so by the State in which the school zone is located or a
political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or
political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains
such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or
political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified
under law to receive the license;
(iii) that is -
(I) not loaded; and
(II) in a locked container, or a locked firearms rack that is
on a motor vehicle;
(iv) by an individual for use in a program approved by a school
in the school zone;
(v) by an individual in accordance with a contract entered into
between a school in the school zone and the individual or an
employer of the individual;
(vi) by a law enforcement officer acting in his or her official
capacity; or
(vii) that is unloaded and is possessed by an individual while
traversing school premises for the purpose of gaining access to
public or private lands open to hunting, if the entry on school
premises is authorized by school authorities.
(3)(A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B), it shall be
unlawful for any person, knowingly or with reckless disregard for
the safety of another, to discharge or attempt to discharge a
firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or
foreign commerce at a place that the person knows is a school zone.
(B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the discharge of a firearm
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(i) on private property not part of school grounds;
(ii) as part of a program approved by a school in the school
zone, by an individual who is participating in the program;
(iii) by an individual in accordance with a contract entered
into between a school in a school zone and the individual or an
employer of the individual; or
(iv) by a law enforcement officer acting in his or her official
capacity.
 
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