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Seems silly since most cities switched their public transit vehicles to CNG for better pollution over gas and diesel.
Also, how hypocritical of them when their electricity is mostly from out of state and generated by natural gas, coal and nuclear - they want all of the benefits of modern life but want someone else's backyard to house the power plants
Let that state go dark; shot off the power form Mead/Hoover and all out of state generation plants; cut off the water to SoCal from mead and let them build deal plants which require HUGE amounts of electricity
Let them go back to candles, walking, horses - and no internet.
 
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the first thing i thought of was earthquakes.......that would make me leary of natural gas lines......

the 2nd thought is.......i wonder just how much electricity berkeley receives from various natural gas powered power plants that produce electricity....

wonder if they will mandate that all electricity consumption must be from solar or wind turbine.......
 
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They should if they aren't hypocrites; and they can't have hydro either because the tree huggers want all of the dams in the Sierras destroyed to bring the Earth back to normal.
 

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From the article:

"Berkeley became the first city in America to ban natural gas from new homes and businesses, including restaurants that use natural gas for stoves."



Existing buildings are not effected and Berkley is built out There is no room for 'new' buildings.

This is nothing more than a symbolic gesture with no impact on real life in Berkley.
 
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It will if someone wants to go in and do a remodel to open a restaurant.
 

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It will if someone wants to go in and do a remodel to open a restaurant.
Remodel of an existing home. Open the restaurant in the existing building where another restaurant went out of business.
 

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But not if you're opening up a restaurant in what was once a shoe store - the Berkeley folks are as far out in left field as anyone I have seen
 

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Seems silly since most cities switched their public transit vehicles to CNG for better pollution over gas and diesel.
Also, how hypocritical of them when their electricity is mostly from out of state and generated by natural gas, coal and nuclear - they want all of the benefits of modern life but want someone else's backyard to house the power plants
Let that state go dark; shot off the power form Mead/Hoover and all out of state generation plants; cut off the water to SoCal from mead and let them build deal plants which require HUGE amounts of electricity
Let them go back to candles, walking, horses - and no internet.
I'm not taking sides because I don't live or vote in that jurisdiction.

I will offer this: While it's absolutely true that Berkeley is guilty of NIMBY, making them go dark puts a lot of people out of work.

Berkeley's power consumption is not a non-profit venture on the part of the suppliers or the consumers, right?
 

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If they are going to spout off and be adamant about no gas, coal, or nukes, then walk the walk or don't talk the talk.
 
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A typical stupid law enacted by Communist - Socialist - DemocRATc idiotic politicians who are only interested in gaining more power.
 
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A typical stupid law enacted by Communist - Socialist - DemocRATc idiotic politicians who are only interested in gaining more power.
How do we reconcile the will of the people vs the outcome of legislation that supports the will of the people?

I guess my point is that blaming the politicians is tilting at windmills.

The fault (credit) lies with the voters, doesn't it?
 

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I'm sorry (not an apology), and I'm sure the good folks in Berkeley are well meaning people, but I ran out of GAS for whatever they do or say a long time ago.


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How do we reconcile the will of the people vs the outcome of legislation that supports the will of the people?

I guess my point is that blaming the politicians is tilting at windmills.

The fault (credit) lies with the voters, doesn't it?
You are correct!, the citizens of Berkley voted for these idiots, so, the citizens got the government they deserve.

Let us hope that time will make the citizens realized the mistake they have made.
 
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You are correct!, the citizens of Berkley voted for these idiots, so, the citizens got the government they deserve.

Let us hope that time will make the citizens realized the mistake they have made.
It may not be a mistake. For those not living in Berkeley, is any of the voter's choices there wrong for those living outside Berkeley?

Look at Colorado. They like pot. Texas doesn't. Who's wrong?
 

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I was going to ask how they expect to go to a restaurant and get a grilled steak but these people probably only eat Kale soup and tofu.
 

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How do we reconcile the will of the people vs the outcome of legislation that supports the will of the people?

I guess my point is that blaming the politicians is tilting at windmills.

The fault (credit) lies with the voters, doesn't it?
Only partly; the fault lies mostly with the politicians and media LYING to the woefully undereducated populace who attended public school;s for their free education - I mean indoctrination.
 

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Only partly; the fault lies mostly with the politicians and media LYING to the woefully undereducated populace who attended public school;s for their free education - I mean indoctrination.
So that's why Colorado is pot-friendly and Texas isn't?

If true, which state has "woefully undereducated populace who attended public school;s for their free education - I mean indoctrination?"
 

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If you don't live in Berkeley or plan on moving there, why worry so much about it?
Because there are other DemocRATS politicians looking at what Berkley has done and will be trying to emulate them by attempting to craft similar laws in their own areas, that is why we need to worry about. The insanity of the People's Republic of Commiefornia can be easily transmitted like a bad virus.
 
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