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That always gets a thread moving!

I don't like Glocks. I don't like Kimbers. I don't like the Bersa either, since we're on the topic.

Kahr. Smith, Ruger, Springer, Remington . . . More or less. Not necessarily in that order.

I have a nickel plated Stoeger Coach Gun I think is cool as hell -- Just to touch off a discussion.

-- and a small cannon.

 
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Would this be the same Slam Fire that used to participate at the old Glock Talk?
 
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Why dont you like Glock or the others? There has to be a reason why.
OK, here's the list on Glock:

They're FAT and top heavy. I don't care for the grip ergonomics. They seem to be front heavy. Trigger drives me nutz. I've heard too many stories of the trigger getting snagged on something and the users being shot in the leg, or worse.

Mostly the Glock has a throated "oversize" breech with a deeply undercut feed ramp. The chamber is "partially supported" -- and stretches brass. When the brass is sized a few times it work hardens and fails in the unsupported breech, resulting in the notorious "Glock kB" (as in kaBOOM) Ususally the failure blows the slide off the frame and/or blows the mag out the grip, splits the grip.

But mostly there's just this general trendy mantra about "I got a Glock" (and so I'm totally cool.)

Police carry Glocks for all sorts of reasons. They are reliable -- with NEW ammo. They're tough, rugged, no frills, and simple to use. That's why police use them.

Kimber -- used to be mfg'd in my backyard, Gladstone OR. Mostly Kimber out sources their parts and assembles their product from independent contracting suppliers. For a while, back about a decade, when Kimber moved to New York, the slides weren't locking open on the last round, and the mag release button needed to be depressed in order to load the mag. Those are "fit / finish" issues.

Mostly they're overpriced and "trendy." Kimber warrants their gun for 1 year. Springfield warrants their gun forever, transferable. And they're less money -- just for the record.

Bersa -- I looked at one about 12 yrs ago. They may have improved. Back about 1997, they were right in there with Jennings in terms of quality.

But mostly I'm just stirring stuff up because we need to see some posts on this site.

I really like my Ruger No. 1 in 45-70, Leupold VX III scope and the Weatherby Vanguard in 30-06, Leupold VX II scope.

I like my Kahr MK9, all my Smith revolvers, and my 1943 Springfield Garand. I like my Mausers, my AK, and my Uzis.

I like my XD better than a Glock but it has a Glock GTL 21 mounted on it. I have a Glock fixed blade tactical knife. I like them both. But the Glock 26 and 27 are the most awkward guns I've ever held.
 

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Well at least you got some reasons as to why you don't like them. It's - as with almost everything in life - a personal choice. Either they fit you and you like them or you don't. No big deal, there are fortunately hundreds of other quality guns to choose from. Glocks are usually a "love or hate" thing. I love mine ;)
 
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I respect what you are saying and find it hilarious. I currently have a couple glocks both .45's and a kimber 1911 that i enjoy. i also like my hk usp compact .45. i would trust any one of these guns with my life as i do ccw and am not a leo! i get top heavy with some of the glocks not so much with the compact 30 and others like it. i have shot the xd .45 and found it uncomfortable to shoot as if it was so light the kick was pretty bad to me. other guns i shoot are .357 mag short barrel sw and a mamoth S&W460 mag so i do not mind kick/reecoil but it should be better displaced imho. good topic i needed a laugh
 

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I held my friend's Glocks and didn't care for them. I think they are ugly, too. I doubt I'll ever own one.

Ever since I wanted a handgun I have wanted a Kimber. I will own one someday.
 

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I've never liked Glocks, and never intended to own one, but my husband recently decided that in order to be able to say we don't like them definitively, we have to have owned, and shot one on more than one occasion.

He bought a Glock 21SF, and now the man loves it...... I've shot it a few times, and have found that the more I shoot it, the more I like it. It's definitely not as "refined" as my Kimber, but a fine, accurate shooter nevertheless.

I still think they're fugly, but my opinion has changed somewhat!
 

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Glocks and Sigs fit my hand better than anything else I've shot.

Jee, I wonder if the guy who started this thread has changed his mind in the past 2 year?
 

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A Glocks beauty is in its fuglyness. I have a 32 that shoots real good. I have carried it CCW before and have never had a problem. I am also going to buy a 20 SF as soon as they are available.
That being said though, I do like the grips on other guns a lot more.
 

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If Guns are Tools then a Glock is the Shovel of the Gun world. Its plain, simple uncomplicated, no frills BUT it is just as reliable as the shovel. I believe everyone should own at least ONE!!! I too once disliked Glocks until i got my Glock 36. 600+ rounds later STILL no failure to fires or any problems. Well, one problem actually, damn thing refuses to clean itself after a trip to the range :mad1:
 

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more LEOs have had more ADs with Glocks than all other makes combined. The last one I heard about, the cop hung his Glock on the hook inside the door of the stall. When he went to retrieve it he pushed on it just right to make it fire. it then continued to fire until empty by bouncing back and forth on the hook. The toilet blew up and cut the cop in a gazillion places. He staggered from the bathroom looking like he had been tortured. Every cop in the place had pistol drawn.
Try living that down.

The usual AD is while holstering with the index finger in the trigger guard. Trigger 'safety' is useless then. Major owie on the leg.
 

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Well Sharron, thats because the only real safety on a Glock, is the one between the owner's ears.
 

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bingo! Many departments went to glocks because it was easy to convert from revolvers. The glock was like a magazine fed revolver. Just pull the trigger. Many cops were accustomed to holstering their revolvers with the finger IN the trigger guard since many holsters had exposed triggers.
 

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Another major reason L.E. agencies went to Glock is because of Glock's advertising campaign that was geared towards them. Glock put night sights standard on most of their models (you had to buy them separately and have them put on on other brands at the time), Their sales people went on a blitzkrieg like promotion at L.E. conventions, sent pistols to agencies to try out, advertised to every L.E. publication and made great deals on department prices and individual officer prices, made compact models for back-up and off duty carry that could handle the same magazine as their duty weapon.

This tactic also had the desiured effect on the general population that was looking for a defensive/carry weapon...they looked at what the police were carrying.

Glock capitalized on the law enforcement market better than Colt, Berretta or any of the others have. I don't personally care for Glocks and won't buy another one, but it is a reliable firearm and they know how to market them.
 
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I have 1000a od rounds thru Glocks, esp the various .40s that have a unsupported chamber, no kabooms at all, never even a FTF or FTE.

KImbers are jewlery, thats it. Most are jam o matics. Goto full-auto.org and check out the kimber thread, you will run from that gun as fast as possible.
 

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1000 rd is hardly broken in. I prefer to watch what happens in the heat of competition. Practical competition is the hardest place for a pistol to survive short of combat.
Glocks are good. Glocks are not perfect. I have seen pretty much any version of Glock jam. Not often, but it does happen.
While I have not seen it happen, I know Glock owners who have had a pistol blow up.

Any pistol can malfunction. Machines do malfunction. None are perfect.

Of the mass manufactured defensive pistols, all are good. Some are very good.
None are junk.

People love to complain. Give them a forum such as a web page and they are in heaven. Now they can complain to MILLIONS.

I take such complaints not with a grain of salt, but with an entire salt shaker.
 
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