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No new gun laws needed, just people who care enough to get the mentally ill off the streets.
Getting these people off the streets is easy, but what to do with them after that? We use to have mental hospitals where mentally ill "patients" were locked up and kept away from society. But most of those hospitals closed up in the 60s and 70s, due to lack of funding. Those that are left are mostly at capacity and have the no vacancy sign out.
 

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Getting these people off the streets is easy, but what to do with them after that? We use to have mental hospitals where mentally ill "patients" were locked up and kept away from society. But most of those hospitals closed up in the 60s and 70s, due to lack of funding. Those that are left are mostly at capacity and have the no vacancy sign out.
After we finish building the wall. Build more institutions.
 

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Yes that will stop some mass shooters and kudos to the father for doing something. How many don't reveal their intentions and just do it though? Bring back the nut houses.
 

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Now this is how it is supposed to work.
No new gun laws needed, just people who care enough to get the mentally ill off the streets.

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Po...559885891.html
sorry to say this your comment is stereotyping. your saying that all mentally ill are raving maniacs and murders waiting to happen. That is NOT at all helping this situation.
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Now this is how its suppose to work. No new gun law needed, lets get the people who demonstrate a willingness to harm others and self off the street.

This more accurately reflects the people who we do not want wandering around, without harming and entire class of innocent people. NON violent mentally ill people which is the vast majority of people who are dealing with mental health issues.
 

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bring back the nut houses. end quote.

We been there done that and it was a humans rights nightmare, where countless people who were not violent at all, were stripped of all of their constitutional rights, were abused, tortured, Murdered, sterilization, maliciously experimented on, mutilated, and on and on and on. . in the end it led to the T4 program stopped AFTER ww2 was over they kept killing the disabled after they stopped killing jews. . And then there is Eugenics program which is very much still in existence here in the USA.

So I have to wonder are you proposing we bring back the eugenics program in full?? that is the nut houses your referring too. bring back the butchering and abuse of non violent people with disabilities, who are almost always classed as being mentally ill in order to strip their rights of self determination so they could justify locking them in the so called nut houses? .
 

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bring back the nut houses. end quote.

We been there done that and it was a humans rights nightmare, where countless people who were not violent at all, were stripped of all of their constitutional rights, were abused, tortured, Murdered, sterilization, maliciously experimented on, mutilated, and on and on and on. . in the end it led to the T4 program stopped AFTER ww2 was over they kept killing the disabled after they stopped killing jews. . And then there is Eugenics program which is very much still in existence here in the USA.

So I have to wonder are you proposing we bring back the eugenics program in full?? that is the nut houses your referring too. bring back the butchering and abuse of non violent people with disabilities, who are almost always classed as being mentally ill in order to strip their rights of self determination so they could justify locking them in the so called nut houses? .


And now we have a mass homeless problem where unmedicated crazy people wandering the streets. Somewhere in the middle is some happy ground.
 

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Well, what about a person who owns 20 guns and 800 rounds of ammo. Does that not indicate that he may hurt someone? I didn't think you'd agree, but what about a non-gun owner?
 

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Getting these people off the streets is easy, but what to do with them after that? We use to have mental hospitals where mentally ill "patients" were locked up and kept away from society. But most of those hospitals closed up in the 60s and 70s, due to lack of funding. Those that are left are mostly at capacity and have the no vacancy sign out.
The state hospital is in a town not too far form me - it looks like something from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. When Michael ripped the roofs off of every building, things got so hairy they delivered food via a helicopter drop. They have sections with more razor wire than a Fed penitentiary

Florida State Hospital (FSH) is a hospital and psychiatric hospital in Chattahoochee, Florida. Established in 1876, it was Florida's only state mental institution until 1947. It currently has a capacity of 1,042 patients. The hospital's current Administration Building is on the National Register of Historic Places.[SUP][1][/SUP]
The facility's property previously served as a military arsenal during the Seminole Wars and the American Civil War, and later became the site of Florida's first state prison. It was subsequently refurbished as a mental hospital, originally known as Florida State Hospital for the Insane, which opened in 1876. It gained notoriety over the course of its long history. It was sued in O'Connor v. Donaldson, a case that went to the US Supreme Court, which ruled that the hospital had illegally confined one of its patients. The decision contributed to the deinstitutionalization movement, which resulted in changes to state laws and the closure of many public mental institutions in the country. The hospital today treats patients with severe mental disabilities who have been civilly or forensically committed to the institution.


Competency to be executedOne of the tasks of the forensic psychologists in the forensic wing is to evaluate an inmate's competency to be executed, as common law holds that the insane cannot be executed.[SUP][7][/SUP][SUP][8][/SUP] This is a result of Ford v. Wainwright (1986). A Florida inmate on death row appealed his case to the United States Supreme Court, declaring he was not competent to be executed. The court ruled that a forensic professional must make that evaluation and, if the inmate is found incompetent, provide treatment to aid in his gaining competency so the execution can take place.[SUP][9][/SUP] Providing treatment to an individual to enable that person to become competent to be executed puts mental health professionals in an ethical dilemma.
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And now we have a mass homeless problem where unmedicated crazy people wandering the streets. Somewhere in the middle is some happy ground.
I have to wonder if your ignoring the part where those that were in these institutions went to assisted living?? NOT TO THE STREETS I am on the streets not by my actions and of sound mind. STOP LUMPING ME WITH THEM.

THe people we need off the street are those who demonstrate a willingness to hurt others and themselves. (the bullies) for example. Because they demonstrated that they are willing to harm others. that is proof of intent to do harm.

The bullies don't necessarily have mental illness themselves. they are simply wired different to get enjoyment from harming self and others.

what we need is better screening in our schools to to identify those people who have a propensity towards violent behavior and put them on a scaling system so if they will not reform their behavior to non violence then we institutionalize those individuals and throw in the people who do drugs as well because they are demonstrating willingness to self harm. and if those drugs are vapor or aerosol(smoking crack that other breathing in) then they also demonstrate willingness to harm others.

Your also failing to see the fact "mental illness" is NOT A MARKER OF VIOLENCE.

your trying to draw association where there isn't one. I can't read your mind, so I can't explain why your drawing this irrational conclusion. Other than guess that the reason is you don't want to recognize the possibility that you yourself or people you know and care about may be capable of such action. And that the only reason you don't do it is because you made a conscious decision not to at this moment. But that could change if circumstances changed. Because by looking at the people as human beings like us, who committed these atrocities were in fact "normal people with normal issues. that stressed them to the breaking point. " Showing the rest of us that under the right circumstances we are ALL capable of such actions. But we just don't feel like doing it at this time.
 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Medical_Center,_Rochester

here is another example that the correct institutions are very much still in business. This is the kind of institutions we need more of. so that way those that demonstrate violence can be locked up and attempted to rehabilitate and if not keep locked up. But the only people that wind up here are those abdicated by a court for propensity for violence.
 

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...under the right circumstances we are ALL capable of such actions. But we just don't feel like doing it at this time.
I disagree (with this and much of what you said earlier) but in this instance, it's the kind of thing that liberals say. They believe that THEY are capable of "snapping" and shooting up a school or an office and in their minds, anyone can snap.

But it's a lie. If someone snaps, or has a meltdown, it's actually pretty rare that they go on a shooting spree or stabbing spree. Mostly, they just go to a doctor and get some help. Which, of course, is the right thing to do.

Liberals, of course, don't truly understand that and they lump everyone into a picture of human evil that doesn't exist with rational people. It only exists with liberals.

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I have to wonder if your ignoring the part where those that were in these institutions went to assisted living?? NOT TO THE STREETS I am on the streets not by my actions and of sound mind. STOP LUMPING ME WITH THEM.

THe people we need off the street are those who demonstrate a willingness to hurt others and themselves. (the bullies) for example. Because they demonstrated that they are willing to harm others. that is proof of intent to do harm.

The bullies don't necessarily have mental illness themselves. they are simply wired different to get enjoyment from harming self and others.

what we need is better screening in our schools to to identify those people who have a propensity towards violent behavior and put them on a scaling system so if they will not reform their behavior to non violence then we institutionalize those individuals and throw in the people who do drugs as well because they are demonstrating willingness to self harm. and if those drugs are vapor or aerosol(smoking crack that other breathing in) then they also demonstrate willingness to harm others.

Your also failing to see the fact "mental illness" is NOT A MARKER OF VIOLENCE.

your trying to draw association where there isn't one. I can't read your mind, so I can't explain why your drawing this irrational conclusion. Other than guess that the reason is you don't want to recognize the possibility that you yourself or people you know and care about may be capable of such action. And that the only reason you don't do it is because you made a conscious decision not to at this moment. But that could change if circumstances changed. Because by looking at the people as human beings like us, who committed these atrocities were in fact "normal people with normal issues. that stressed them to the breaking point. " Showing the rest of us that under the right circumstances we are ALL capable of such actions. But we just don't feel like doing it at this time.


I'm not saying all mentally ill or homeless people are violent. Also not saying all homeless people are mentally ill but the facts are many are. Some should be locked up for our good and most for their good. Do you think they are better off without medications they may need, no medical care, no sanitary conditions, being out in the elements, eating from trash cans etc? You described the horrid conditions on those 1960's-70's mental institutions and i said there is some happy ground between that and having them live on the streets. I'm also not advocating keeping them locked up for life either. If the ones who need medication get it and they can be shown compassion, dignity and care they can hopefully leave and become a productive part of society. 10's of thousand of people living on our streets is unacceptable while we spend money on others flooding our country or sending billions to other countries. I used to run a garbage truck in the Albany NY area and dealt with a lot of homeless people. Some were cool people down on their luck and others were totally schizophrenic bat sheet crazy nuts who needed a padded cell. I met this one guy once who asked if the company was hiring so i humored him and told him yes and gave him a card. This actually happened a lot but this guy was living in an abandoned car on some side street. He ended up walking and hitching a ride to our shop some 15 miles outside the city and they hired him as a helper on a rear load truck. The driver would pick him up and drop him off each day and within 2 months he had an apt. Shortly after that he had a car on the road and drove himself to work. He was still working there when i left and hopefully he is still doing ok but i haven't seen him in over 15 years so who knows. His name was Larry but he had the nickname "animal" because he would do anything to get the job done. it was nothing for him to climb inside the greasiest nastiest dumpster to shovel it out if a cable broke on a truck or had some other problem.
 
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