Yes, he does! But he better not do what all politicians do, tell us what we want to hear then do the opposite!If Trump stabs us in the back on gun control, it will be after the 2020 election. He NEEDS our votes to get re-elected.
agreed.... My question is what do we do about it except live with it if he does it after he's re-elected? Move to Canada? Venezuela?Yes, he does! But he better not do what all politicians do, tell us what we want to hear then do the opposite!
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I'm not jumping you. In fact, I posted essentially the same narrative a while back.Would UBC, if done right, be all that bad? With the recent events, something that may have made a difference may be heading our way. If there was a UBC and it was instant, no record of the deal and no other questions other than is the purchaser legally aloud to purchase, such a bad thing? You have to forgive me because I’m from NJ and we’ve been dealing with a similar system here since 1968. I submitted myself to a criminal background check. A mental health background check. A local police background check and have submitted 3 references that are not family to receive my FID. with that FID I can purchase long guns at Will with just the NICS check. I have no problem with this. If all purchases have to go through the dealer then that’s bad because the dealer charges for that service.
Hand guns are a hassle. You have to file for a permit to purchase that takes from 10-45 days and is good for 1 gun. That permit expires in 90 days. That really sucks.
A UBC, if done right may actually may be somewhat effective but at least it’s doing something. The biggest problem with any of these measures is that they won’t stop there. They ALWAYS want more, more and more as evidenced by California. When your faced with the recent shootings, we look bad and the politicians have to look responsive.
Dont jump on my ass unless you have a better idea. None of us like this and we’re not going to walk away unscathed. We’re up against not just the anti gun people but some of the pro-gun people and most of the uneducated neutral people. The odds are not in our favor.
UBC done right? UBC, in fact background checks in any case, is wrong. UBC done right reminds me of "robbery gone wrong". In both cases, they started wrong and there's no doing either right.Would UBC, if done right, be all that bad? With the recent events, something that may have made a difference may be heading our way. If there was a UBC and it was instant, no record of the deal and no other questions other than is the purchaser legally aloud to purchase, such a bad thing? You have to forgive me because I’m from NJ and we’ve been dealing with a similar system here since 1968. I submitted myself to a criminal background check. A mental health background check. A local police background check and have submitted 3 references that are not family to receive my FID. with that FID I can purchase long guns at Will with just the NICS check. I have no problem with this. If all purchases have to go through the dealer then that’s bad because the dealer charges for that service.
Hand guns are a hassle. You have to file for a permit to purchase that takes from 10-45 days and is good for 1 gun. That permit expires in 90 days. That really sucks.
A UBC, if done right may actually may be somewhat effective but at least it’s doing something. The biggest problem with any of these measures is that they won’t stop there. They ALWAYS want more, more and more as evidenced by California. When your faced with the recent shootings, we look bad and the politicians have to look responsive.
Dont jump on my ass unless you have a better idea. None of us like this and we’re not going to walk away unscathed. We’re up against not just the anti gun people but some of the pro-gun people and most of the uneducated neutral people. The odds are not in our favor.
Would UBC, if done right, be all that bad? With the recent events, something that may have made a difference may be heading our way. If there was a UBC and it was instant, no record of the deal and no other questions other than is the purchaser legally aloud to purchase, such a bad thing? You have to forgive me because I’m from NJ and we’ve been dealing with a similar system here since 1968. I submitted myself to a criminal background check. A mental health background check. A local police background check and have submitted 3 references that are not family to receive my FID. with that FID I can purchase long guns at Will with just the NICS check. I have no problem with this. If all purchases have to go through the dealer then that’s bad because the dealer charges for that service.
Hand guns are a hassle. You have to file for a permit to purchase that takes from 10-45 days and is good for 1 gun. That permit expires in 90 days. That really sucks.
A UBC, if done right may actually may be somewhat effective but at least it’s doing something. The biggest problem with any of these measures is that they won’t stop there. They ALWAYS want more, more and more as evidenced by California. When your faced with the recent shootings, we look bad and the politicians have to look responsive.
Dont jump on my ass unless you have a better idea. None of us like this and we’re not going to walk away unscathed. We’re up against not just the anti gun people but some of the pro-gun people and most of the uneducated neutral people. The odds are not in our favor.
I'm willing to consider your ideas; please expand on the following ideas you've presented:While I agree with your “ no new gun laws” approach and beliefs, the public, and there fore the politicians have to do something to stop these attacks. It won’t work but they’ll have to show the voters that they are doing something. I didn’t say it was right or constitutional but the voters are screaming for them to act. The moms buying bullet resistant backpacks and teachers expelling students for NRA tee shirts are very loud. Policy is made up by politicians and politicians are reacting to the masses. You can say we are not governed by mob rule but that’s not entirely true or we wouldn’t have any gun laws to worry about. Hold up the constitution and stand behind it all you want but if nothing is done about these shooters, we will loose much more than a UBC fight. Yes it’s chipping away and no one wants to give an inch. The constitution allows for limits on rights. We are only a breath away form being able to only have a hunting gun and no semi auto or pump guns at all. Open your eyes. States have the right to limit your rights and do it all the time. Thank God for DJT’s SCOTUS picks. Kankles would have us empty handed by now. If the Odessa shooter had a “ ghost gun” you can kiss those good by as some states have already banned them or made it nearly impossible to build one? It’s always the legal guys who pay for the criminals.
In addition, the current NICs law requires that there be an appeal mechanism for denials but the FBI has a terrible record of virtually never processing appeals. For years the Congress (both Republican and Democrat) refused to fund the appeals process but I can't find anything current to suggest that is still the case. Now it simply appears to be intentional policy on the part of Christopher Wray's FBI.UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECKS (HB 13-1229)Background Check Requirement
Under the new law, before any person who is not a licensed gun dealer transfers possession of a firearm, he or she must arrange for a licensed dealer to obtain the required background check. In obtaining the background check, the dealer must follow all procedures that it would follow were it transferring the firearm in a retail transaction, including recording the transfer, retaining the records, and complying with all state and federal laws. The dealer must provide a copy of the background check results and the Bureau's approval or disapproval to the transferor and intended transferee, and may charge a fee of up to $10.
A prospective transferee may not accept possession of the firearm until after the transferor has obtained the Bureau's approval, nor may he or she knowingly provide false information to the transferor or licensed gun dealer for the purpose of acquiring a firearm. Bureau approval of a firearm transaction is valid for 30 calendar days. A person who transfers a firearm in violation of the law may be held jointly and severally liable for any civil damages caused by the transferee's subsequent use of the firearm.
Those kids go to exotic places (America doesn't have any big game) where the guns are rented and locals use pots and pans to corner an animal so the kids get a photo-op. One of my bosses had lots of trophies in his office and that's how he got them.Remember, his oldest boys have been hunting and shooting for many years. Eric has also hunted big game internationally and both have been vocal supporters of the Second Amendment. I don't believe that he'll end his support for either the Second or his boys. He may support some kind of background check in an attempt to ameliorate backlash from libs.
You have a very good point! After reading your comment,it left me thinking about it, moving is out of the question, so what other alternative do we, gun people, will have?agreed.... My question is what do we do about it except live with it if he does it after he's re-elected? Move to Canada? Venezuela?
You have the answer in your narrative:On the UBC question, I think that the great majority of the citizens who summit to a UBC check and pass it, WILL NOT become a mass shooter, why? Simply because we are law abiding citizens, and because of it, we are not afraid of the check. The criminals and mental deficient people will NOT summit to a UBC because they know they will fail it, so, What is the point on doing the check in the first place when the people who it is intended to identify will not summit to it?
Failing a UBC and failing to apply for a UBC accomplish the same thing.The criminals and mental deficient people will NOT summit to a UBC because they know they will fail it ...
