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Personally I've decided to stop speculating about who should have and shouldn't have shot since I wasn't involved in the situation, it's easy to watch a video and say I would've done this or that, it's a lot harder to be right there with a split second decision to make.

Also something I've known for a while, anything in the New York Post is BS not news, a bit like the Enquirer. When you see something in there being good or bad someone paid them to write it exactly as they wanted. It doesn't make it a bad read or something you should avoid, just remember that it's someone's idea they want to share, like a good fantasy book.
 

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I need to only read news max for now on.
 

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An Excellent Beginning

The woman with the advanced Harvard degree says, “Why did the cops shoot him so many times? Why not just wound him?”

The sophisticated lawyer, describing a mentally ill man charging the police with a knife asks, “Why didn’t they just shoot the knife out of his hand like they used to?” The guy at the gym says, “But he had his hands up!” The “expert” tells an audience of police officers, “It was just a small screwdriver.”

Unfortunately for officers on the line, thousands of comments like these are made by untrained civilians who are educated by what they see in the news, movies, TV and social media. Too often, reporters, politicians, community leaders and activists who assume they know what happened leap to judgment, immediately proclaiming officers as trigger-happy, racist or failing to resolve the situation with less lethal means.

Too often overlooked in all the furor and outrage are the facts of the incident, the reality of human dynamics and how police are trained. Ninety-five percent of officers go through their entire careers without discharging their weapons. Contrary to public image, officers do not wish to be in a deadly-force incident and do everything in their power to avoid it at all costs, often times to their own peril. There are about 34,000 arrests each day in this country and well over 10 million a year, and in many of those arrests suspects are taken into custody safely even when many are extremely violent. Only a very small number result in shots fired.

Is it possible for us to pause and consider the realities for our police officers when they are involved in a shooting incident?

Then Comes This

Our book “Shots Fired: The Misunderstandings, Misconceptions, and Myths about Police Shootings” was written to provide citizens with a glimpse into the police world and the experience of officers in deadly force encounters.
 
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The Citizen Survival Rule in Kalifornia is, "Never get between an LEO and his pen$ion."

The wisdom of observing this rule is, unfortunately, borne out by "follow-up" newspaper reports weeks, months and even years after these fatal shootings. They all too often report city, county and state insurance policy "settlement payouts" to families, and are cause for concern. Justifiable police shootings that are fatal seldom deserve "payout settlements".
 

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The police like the soldier are taught to shoot for a fatal result . The wounding shots only existed with the "Lone Ranger" who never killed an adversary. I would think an attorney could separate facts from fiction. A bullet fired into anyone any where can be fatal. The arm chair forensic specialist may never have faced a shooting reality.
 

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The police like the soldier are taught to shoot for a fatal result.
In reality, it's simpler than that. Two factors tend to simplify the situation.
One, in real life, the best one can do is 'stop the threat'. No one is taught to intend fatality, but are taught to 'stop' the dangerous act, and that usually means hitting the villain real quick and real hard. Typically where the villain is biggest.

In fact, most recipients of police shootings survive as the 'shootee' (I've invented a word, I see) is removed to an Emergency Room as quickly as possible (normally). The villain gets treated and so forth.

The second consideration is SCOTUS has ruled - several years ago - police may only use 'deadly physical force' - high potential of death or grave bodily harm - in certain circumstances. If one could end the problem using 'lesser force' then shooting is not permitted.

I would think an attorney could separate facts from fiction.
I agree with you in theory. The reality is an attorney is paid to say things, including outright lies, if the attorney thinks it will benefit his client. That such benefits his bottom line is merely a coincidence, I'm sure.

Addendum: I spent twenty-eight years as a Federal Lawman.
 
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I believe that the schools should offer a program on police shootings.

This program would be open to students and their parents by appointment.

The program would be taught by The same trainers that train police officers, using the same type of videoed situations that are taught at the Police Academy. In fact the program would be a one day watered down version of the same sort of training Police Officers get. It would be a, "This is how we see things." sort of experience aimed at educating the public on the instant life and death decisions that a police officer may have to make.

I would also like to see a First Person Shooter game called " Street Survival " In the game the player is a cop who is presented with a series of situations that may or may not be life and death. The goal of the game is to get home to your wife and kids at the end of the day. Loosing does not always mean you get shot and killed. Loosing can also be getting kicked off the force or arrested for a wrongful shooting. As you continuously make it home you also get promotions. The ultimate goal is to be named a Detective of Police.

Each situation starts off in a cop car and a call comes over the radio. Not all calls are to the hood, Some are to the hood but then there are also calls to middle class neighborhoods and upper class neighborhoods. Some to bars and some to pizza shops. Some to Wal-Mart some to places like Saks 5th avenue.

Some things are not calls at all but just things going on that you see out the window of the car.
 

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I think the bigger problem is our educational system favoring emotional reasoning over logical reasoning these days.
And not enough emphasis on properly assessing facts.

So even though the full video shows exactly what happened. People emotionally reasoning, say 7 shots was excessive force. while in video that person shot was behaving in a dangerous way that show clear intent to harm.

Then enotional reasoning says its police fault because they used a gun to resolve the issue regardless that the person shot said they were going to harm someone or indicated they were going to by hiding hands. etc. Where the emotional reasoner completely ignore the facts in front of them because the emotions say what the officer did was wrong no matter what.
 

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quote from article top of this page.
"Why not just wound? In the world of policing, officers shoot not to kill and not to wound but to stop the threat. That threat is rarely stopped by a single bullet. Rarely, except in the world of fiction, does a single bullet knock someone down. "

based on the longer video of jacob blake. NOT the 1 minute 30 second version that is getting everyone worked up.

I was explaining this to a friend, when discussing jacob blake. And why more than 1 shot was necessary. For my trouble a Black man over heard and used emotional reasoning to justify 7 shots as being excessive. regardless of the facts of the situation. And when I disagreed i was accused of being racist.

I pointed out I was more likely to be shot than he was due to my disabilities and not being able to follow orders in certain situations.

Its situations like these that I can understand the need to keep the investigation under wraps till concluded before sharing with public. For we in the public do not have access to all the facts to paint the correct picture of what happened and when and why.

The only reason I bothered to watch vid in the first place was I knew he is a violent person and I could not understand how he could get 2+ million. from a go fund me set up by his father who has conflict of interest not to speak truth about son. Most parents don't want to admitt their kids are bad people.

If the go fund me was set up after the investigation was over and the shooting was declared not justified THEN i could understand the go fund me. based on logic that the shooting was not a result of something jacob did.
 

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The Citizen Survival Rule in Kalifornia is, "Never get between an LEO and his pen$ion."

The wisdom of observing this rule is, unfortunately, borne out by "follow-up" newspaper reports weeks, months and even years after these fatal shootings. They all too often report city, county and state insurance policy "settlement payouts" to families, and are cause for concern. Justifiable police shootings that are fatal seldom deserve "payout settlements".
I think that could be said for any job not just police lol
 
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