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I've read that its just a bad idea...from a legal standpoint. I dont, even though I have reloads that are more accurate than factory, and going within a few fps +/- of storebought ammo. You know, its a shame that I fear a lawyer more than a bad guy!
 

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This subject has been beat to death all over the web. Even had several lawyers try to find out about anybody getting their hand loads used against them in a court of law. So far they have found nothing on it. IMHO if your not loading super hot loads you shouldn't have any problems. Your lawyer should be smart enough to counter any attempt by the prosecutor to make you out as a mad bullet maker just waiting to kill somebody. If he can't turn that around on the prosecutor you better get another lawyer because your in real big trouble. My hole reason for carrying a gun is to protect my family and I am not going to worry about the court system. I am going to survive if I can. It is a big responsibility and I take it very seriously. Each person has to make up their own mind on what they will do. :|



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ive got one but i need to find it.

mans wife commited suicide with a 38 special that he had handloaded down to nothing. and they ruled it that he had killed her cause there wasnt enough powder residue on her skull.
 

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The story you are looking for is in the Ayoob Files in Handgunner magazine. Can't remember the issue. There is also more to it than what he states in the gun rag. IIRC He got 4yrs and was out in 18mons convicted of manslaughter. Still it was not his hand loading that got him convicted. It was that he new she was having mental problems and didn't have the gun put up in the safe. One of the lawyers I was talking about checked the court records on that. It was a sad deal all the way around. :(



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I DON'T and WON'T carry reloads in a handgun which I carry for self defense because, regardless of who you are, you CANNOT roll your own to the same quality standards as does the factory.

Reloads are great for practice in modern REVOLVERS and possibly 1911 version .45 ACP semi-autos but HAZARDOUS to the shooter's health in other handguns. 40 caliber Glocks, in particular, seem prone to come apart unless everything is JUST RIGHT and I cherish my body parts too much to risk carrying anything but the very best ammo available!
 
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Baldy said:
The .38s/.357s .45s and many more can be reloaded with perfection if you work at it. Quality can be obtained with experience. Bench shooters prove that everyday as most of them make up their own rounds. The key is quality and not quantity. :)
My cousin does all my reloading and his rounds are well over factory standards :)
 
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Do as you please. One high primer, however, can tie up a revolver's cylinder, one defective primer can result in a loud "click" instead of a "bang" when you REALLY need it and one over pressure round can result in a KA-BOOM that can ruin your day!!!
 

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Captian, Its not hard at all to make better ammo than factory. There are many advantages, you can buy the exact same bullet, Send it out the pipe just as fast, and with some expermentation, find a load with less muzzle flash. If you think about it, Getting the bullet going fast enough to perform its job, with the lowest flash possible is really what you need. How much accuracy are you gonna need with a BG at arms lenght? That said I dont carry reloads cause Im scared of layers, thats the only reason. Ive fired 10's of thousands of reloads without blowing anything up. I buy factory ammo once or twice a year, I cronograph it, leave a couple mags worth for carrying. Then make a duplicate load for practice.
 

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I don't use them in my carry gun for a couple of reasons. First the 380 is a small round which is a bit more difficult to reload and the factory rounds are more reliable, in my opinion. The second reason is that why take a chance and give a lawyer the option of tossing that into the case against you. Just buy what the police use for defense and tell the court that you use the same ammo as the police or defensive ammo recommended by your favorite gun shop. It makes it harder to stack the deck against you.

The people on the jury don't know, they think if you reload your own bullets you are making "dum dum" designed to kill and maime. Its only a $20 bill to buy a small quanity of "silvertips" or "hydrashoKs!"
 

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Captain38 said:
Do as you please. One high primer, however, can tie up a revolver's cylinder, one defective primer can result in a loud "click" instead of a "bang" when you REALLY need it and one over pressure round can result in a KA-BOOM that can ruin your day!!!
I have had the same problems with factory loads including bullet set back. I never had a Ka-Boom with mine or any factory loads. Cartridges are mass produced at the factorys and they miss things sometimes too. I check every 10rds for powder throw and primer set. You can bet the factories don't.



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Back when I competed, I loaded my own ammo, and did so for several years after I stopped competing. In that time, I loaded many thousands of rounds on a Dillion press. I had one squib in those many thousands of rounds. Other than that, no problems.

I have had at least five complete dud factory pistol cartridges. I found a single 9mm round in a freshly-opened box of WWB .40 rounds (quality control at a major manufacturer, eh?). I have had factory .223 rounds that didn't have enough juice to cycle my M4gery.

I don't believe for a second that factory ammo is any more reliable than good handloads/reloads. My experience shows that it is actually less reliable than reloads.

However, I have always carried factory ammo, anyway. I am an LFI grad, and what Mas Ayoob actually says about factory ammo is that (a) an overzealous DA can distract a gun-ignorant jury by implying the defender made special loads designed to kill and maim, and (b) that the defender may need "exemplar" loads for the forensics people to use when recreating the shooting, which is much easier with standard factory loads.

I do not doubt at all that (a) can happen. Look at the hysteria among the gun-ignorant about "assault rifles." I am not certain about (b), though the case discussed in this thread is an example that Mas has used.
 

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Mike Barham said:
Back when I competed, I loaded my own ammo, and did so for several years after I stopped competing. In that time, I loaded many thousands of rounds on a Dillion press. I had one squib in those many thousands of rounds. Other than that, no problems.

I have had at least five complete dud factory pistol cartridges. I found a single 9mm round in a freshly-opened box of WWB .40 rounds (quality control at a major manufacturer, eh?). I have had factory .223 rounds that didn't have enough juice to cycle my M4gery.

I don't believe for a second that factory ammo is any more reliable than good handloads/reloads. My experience shows that it is actually less reliable than reloads.

However, I have always carried factory ammo, anyway. I am an LFI grad, and what Mas Ayoob actually says about factory ammo is that (a) an overzealous DA can distract a gun-ignorant jury by implying the defender made special loads designed to kill and maim, and (b) that the defender may need "exemplar" loads for the forensics people to use when recreating the shooting, which is much easier with standard factory loads.

I do not doubt at all that (a) can happen. Look at the hysteria among the gun-ignorant about "assault rifles." I am not certain about (b), though the case discussed in this thread is an example that Mas has used.


Well said! That's my take on it too! I believe my reloaded ammo is better than a lot of factory ammo, except my 357 sig stuff. But....I choose not to give a prosecuting attorney that line of attack. Why take any chance we all know that juries are gun ignorant for the most part and will make life changing decisions that can put us in the slammer for many years!
 
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