This is very important and useful in the event I’m ever in a -65* place because I’m probably going to shoot myself ether to get out on a medical or end it all together.
Cold Weather Effect on 1911 Reliability
Cold Weather Effect on 1911 Reliability
It was desirable to evaluate whether the shooting of the test firearm from a Ransom rest provided reliability results that were not achievable by a human hand and shooter. We also sought to provide evidence of the skewing of the results due to the heavy-lubricated state of the firearm as it was initially tested (and recorded on high speed video). As such, the tested 1911 was lightly lubricated (per the users manual) with the tested lubricants and the -65°F system was shot by hand with the Pro-Shot Zero Friction and Remington Rem Oil an additional 29 cartridges each. This test was tried with the Outers Gun Oil but slow slide velocity and a continued lack of reliability prompted a halt to the testing at -65°F
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Interesting, but tell me what semi is going to function properly in -65.
I don’t think I am going to run into a threat at those temps unless it’s a polar bear.
do not think a 1911 will be effective with that bear
I don’t think I am going to run into a threat at those temps unless it’s a polar bear.
do not think a 1911 will be effective with that bear
Supplemental Material From TM 9-1005-211-12, Department of Army Technical Manual, Pistol, Caliber .45, Automatic, M1911A1.
Operation Under Unusual Conditions.
Operation in Extreme Cold, (page 61)
a. In temperatures below freezing, it is necessary that moving parts of the weapon be kept free of moisture. Excess oil on working parts will solidify and cause sluggish operation or complete failure.
b. Before cleaning, allow weapon to attain room temperature. Perform detailed disassembly and complete cleaning before use in temperatures below 0 degrees F. Working surfaces that show signs of wear may bee lubricated by rubbing lightly with a rag that has been wet with weapons lubricating oil (LAW).
What the manual means, is that normal amounts of residual oil should be removed from 1911's before you go outdoors in below freezing weather, anything bellow 32 degrees F. The solidified oil will cause the slide and recoil spring to become sluggish in "timing" and the spring will kink-up (become deformed) and throw a coil across the rear lip of the spring plug, which will lock up the slide at just a slight point from going back into full battery position. Your 1911 slide will then be locked up and you will require a replacement slide spring and plug to get your 1911 back into service. I know this because the warning is not in my Colt Government Model owners manual from 1984. And I've had to replace two springs and plugs in two successive winters when the normally lubed Government Model locked up after one shot in weather that was in the high teens of Fahrenheit.
Notice in the videos that the three "non-RemOil" lubed firings showed barrel muzzle ends that the slide appears not to have gone completely back into battery position. Maybe the videos were cut off prior to the gun achieving battery, I don't know.
What I do know is, don't be like I was, uninformed. It can cost you an out-of-commission 1911 and a couple of new parts.
Operation Under Unusual Conditions.
Operation in Extreme Cold, (page 61)
a. In temperatures below freezing, it is necessary that moving parts of the weapon be kept free of moisture. Excess oil on working parts will solidify and cause sluggish operation or complete failure.
b. Before cleaning, allow weapon to attain room temperature. Perform detailed disassembly and complete cleaning before use in temperatures below 0 degrees F. Working surfaces that show signs of wear may bee lubricated by rubbing lightly with a rag that has been wet with weapons lubricating oil (LAW).
What the manual means, is that normal amounts of residual oil should be removed from 1911's before you go outdoors in below freezing weather, anything bellow 32 degrees F. The solidified oil will cause the slide and recoil spring to become sluggish in "timing" and the spring will kink-up (become deformed) and throw a coil across the rear lip of the spring plug, which will lock up the slide at just a slight point from going back into full battery position. Your 1911 slide will then be locked up and you will require a replacement slide spring and plug to get your 1911 back into service. I know this because the warning is not in my Colt Government Model owners manual from 1984. And I've had to replace two springs and plugs in two successive winters when the normally lubed Government Model locked up after one shot in weather that was in the high teens of Fahrenheit.
Notice in the videos that the three "non-RemOil" lubed firings showed barrel muzzle ends that the slide appears not to have gone completely back into battery position. Maybe the videos were cut off prior to the gun achieving battery, I don't know.
What I do know is, don't be like I was, uninformed. It can cost you an out-of-commission 1911 and a couple of new parts.
I didn't see the high speed video as all I saw was slow motion. Please post the high speed of this test.
"This test was tried with the Outers Gun Oil but slow slide velocity and a continued lack of reliability prompted a halt to the testing at -65°F"
They are telling us something about gun oil and below freezing temperature interactions in 1911 pistols.
They are telling us something about gun oil and below freezing temperature interactions in 1911 pistols.
These people need to get a life.
Not even a self respecting Russian would go to war at -65.
Not even a self respecting Russian would go to war at -65.
Thanks for that info Stevejet. So even temps in the 20"s can affect a 1911's operation.Supplemental Material From TM 9-1005-211-12, Department of Army Technical Manual, Pistol, Caliber .45, Automatic, M1911A1.
Operation Under Unusual Conditions.
Operation in Extreme Cold, (page 61)
a. In temperatures below freezing, it is necessary that moving parts of the weapon be kept free of moisture. Excess oil on working parts will solidify and cause sluggish operation or complete failure.
b. Before cleaning, allow weapon to attain room temperature. Perform detailed disassembly and complete cleaning before use in temperatures below 0 degrees F. Working surfaces that show signs of wear may bee lubricated by rubbing lightly with a rag that has been wet with weapons lubricating oil (LAW).
What the manual means, is that normal amounts of residual oil should be removed from 1911's before you go outdoors in below freezing weather, anything bellow 32 degrees F. The solidified oil will cause the slide and recoil spring to become sluggish in "timing" and the spring will kink-up (become deformed) and throw a coil across the rear lip of the spring plug, which will lock up the slide at just a slight point from going back into full battery position. Your 1911 slide will then be locked up and you will require a replacement slide spring and plug to get your 1911 back into service. I know this because the warning is not in my Colt Government Model owners manual from 1984. And I've had to replace two springs and plugs in two successive winters when the normally lubed Government Model locked up after one shot in weather that was in the high teens of Fahrenheit.
Notice in the videos that the three "non-RemOil" lubed firings showed barrel muzzle ends that the slide appears not to have gone completely back into battery position. Maybe the videos were cut off prior to the gun achieving battery, I don't know.
What I do know is, don't be like I was, uninformed. It can cost you an out-of-commission 1911 and a couple of new parts.
Will have to keep that in mind when cleaning and oiling my EDC in the winter, even here in Texas.
Might save my life. And thanks to the OP.
Share my own results or Negligent Discharge is more like it I carried a Stainless Steel .45 acp Decocker model temps dropped to below 0 degrees for several days I pulled the gun out of my truck as always I dropped the decocker and the round in chamber discharged. God had an eye out that day as no one hit. As the gun warmed up everything functioned fine. So does it have to be -65? or Just below freezing for several days to cause malfunctions? Winter has me at revolvers
Not that I am going out in that type of weather but I wonder if a revolver would fare any better in sub zero temps.
If so perhaps need to think about carrying a wheel gun when the temps get too cold.
If so perhaps need to think about carrying a wheel gun when the temps get too cold.
Share my own results or Negligent Discharge is more like it I carried a Stainless Steel .45 acp Decocker model temps dropped to below 0 degrees for several days I pulled the gun out of my truck as always I dropped the decocker and the round in chamber discharged. God had an eye out that day as no one hit. As the gun warmed up everything functioned fine. So does it have to be -65? or Just below freezing for several days to cause malfunctions? Winter has me at revolvers
I have always been leery of decockers and point them down range or to the ground when doing it. Anything mechanical can fail. I swear i flinch when i hit the button too.
My 1st decocker was on my Ruger P345. I did not know it had it, I went to put the safety on the hammer dropped. Scarred the hell out of me lol. Im still leary of them.
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