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CDNN Sports / Firearms Review

NOTE: There are two (2) completely separate companies discussed in the below, the importer and CDNN. CDNN performed brilliantly, the importer did not...

The importer’s name will not be disclosed, as CDNN’s stellar performance has completely negated any need of mine to do so.

In a quest for an extremely interesting, but a very usable set of recreational handguns for plinking with friends, target, range and in the distant future, possibly even competitive shooting; I set upon reading and watching every review that could be found, on the types of handguns I was seeking.

Instead of talking to a professional firearms salesperson, I thought the knowledge I’d gain from watching videos and reading articles on how various handguns rated and performed, I'd learn enough to make the right choices.

Aside from one great experience with one mainstream, very well known handgun, I have no other firearms experience. I had just enough knowledge to make a stupid decision. In essence, I had become a Sophomore, a wise fool (“sophos” meaning “wise” / “moros” meaning ”foolish").

...and so I found them! My “perfect” recreational handguns!
(or so I thought)

These were highly rated, very nice looking handguns, they had everything I was looking for, plus great prices. I literally watched every single video and read every single article I could find on them. Thinking I knew all there was to be known about these, I ordered them online, via the CDNN website’s shopping cart (without ever talking to any of their honest, knowledgeable, salespeople).

(I had purchased a “Brand X”, non-mainstream pair of guns.)

Now very excited, I anxiously awaited my new guns!

They came in, the external cosmetics were nothing short of magnificent! The exterior machining and finish looked just as good as guns costing hundreds of dollars more! I was amazed!

Then... I looked at a few crucial components of the internal mechanisms...

They were horrible.

I talked to every firearms person I knew and they all said it would probably be fine. Back and forth in my thoughts I went. Perfect in every visible way, yet a few crucial components of the internal mechanisms were in very poor condition? That just didn’t make sense to me.

- My encounter with the Importer:

In my confusion, I called the importer (NOT CDNN) of the above handguns. The customer service receptionist answered, I told her my situation and we talked for less than five minutes, with her obviously just trying to get me off the phone. The customer service receptionist recommended that I go try shooting the guns. I basically told her that I’d think about it and we agreed that one of their technically knowledgeable people should probably call me back.

The call never came...

A weekend passed and I called the importer back. I was then told that their whole staff are now at “SHOT Show” in Las Vegas and they had spent $37,000 to be there. I guess my almost $1,000 (total) spent on their products, wasn’t so important then?

Then, the customer service receptionist asked me if I saw the flaws in the internal components, before I took delivery / possession. I answered honestly and told her the truth, “Yes”. I tried to explain that I am an inexperienced firearms buyer and I was confused, but contrary to her recommendation, I still had not fired them, they never left my home.

She then eluded to, because I had already taken delivery of these guns, knowing that a few internal components were not finished correctly, it was going to be a whole another story about having this taken care of.

Keep in mind these facts: these are my first recreational guns... I just spent almost $1,000 (total, with tax, transfer, shipping, etc.), that is a lot of money to me and to most people... she was VERY impatient with me.. the resolution was getting more and more vague... she was trying to lead me to believe, that me, knowingly taking delivery of these new guns with defects, was putting me at their mercy... their participation in “SHOT Show” was of immensely more importance to them, than just me... they never called me back... and lastly, this would “possibly” be resolved at “their convenience”.

Nightmare Alert!

I was basically resolved to the fact, that I had just bought myself into a credit card dispute, possibly even a small claims court battle.

- My encounter with CDNN:

As a last ditch effort to resolve this, I called the retailer, CDNN Firearms. In a bit of an agitated state, I spoke with Bryson. He calmly listened to me for almost half an hour. Reassuringly, he told me that it had only been less than a week, I had not fired the guns and I had nothing to worry about. Bryson then recommended that I speak with Owens, a warehouse manager, who is extremely knowledgeable in these matters.

Owens told me, in a very polite, intelligent, man to man, eye to eye style... that if I wanted quality handguns, I would have to pay for quality handguns.

Bryson and Owens worked together with me, to get the defective “Brand X” guns back... and get me new, more mainstream, quality handguns in a few days.

CDNN Sports / Firearms treated me like a friend. They spoke the truth and didn’t hold my mistakes against me. I will never buy a gun from anyone else and I highly recommend them.

This concludes my review of CDNN Sports / Firearms.

A humbly suggested word of caution to inexperienced firearms buyers, stick to mainstream manufacturers until you have a lot of experience under your belt and are willing to purchase on an experimental basis only. When a firearms professional tells you to stick to the well represented, proven manufacturers like Glock, Smith, H&K, Beretta, Walther, Sig, etc... you might just benefit from listening.
 

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Excellent customer service there. Especially important since you are new to firearms. I would have hated to see one bad experience turn you away from the hobby. Sounds like CDNN took good care of you. Yeah, you mostly get what you pay for with firearms.

There's some really experienced guys on this board. I'm fairly new to the hobby myself and got sucked in hard core, but this board has helped me learn an awful lot.

I usually get input from the guys here before I go buy something, then I hold it in my hand to see if it feels right.

I'll let one of the senior members tell you to take a safety course. It's coming and you should.

Congrats on getting this resolved. What guns did you end up getting instead?
 

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Yes, a safety course is great idea! Thank you!



At a marginal additional cost (especially considering the increase in quality), I got the tried and true Glock 21 3rd Gen and the Beretta 92A1 9mm in exchange for the “Brand X” units... and after dealing with the Bryson & Owens Diplomacy and Expertise Team, I also ordered a Walther PPQ M2 .22, as I know I’d be wanting a good .22 sooner or later anyway.



(Previously, I did get the H&K P2000SK from them, before I bought the “Brand X” units and I’ve had an old Glock 19 for a few years.)
 

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I hope you have better luck with your Walther. I bought a Walther P22 and kept it about three weeks. It was a guaranteed 1 or 2 FTE in every mag. I put 700 rounds through it and not once did it complete a mag without an issue.

I could have sent it to Walther but I just sold it for $200 instead. I took a $40 hit on it.

I've got a Ruger Mark 3 so I didn't really care for messing with the Walther.

It's a real shame because it was fun the few times I could get off five rounds without an issue. That gun has the most impressive muzzle blast for such a small gun.


Sent from the Fortress of Solitude.
 

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Enthusiastically agreed! Especially after reading some of the horror stories gun buyers end up having with some manufactures and importers. I did get away on the cheap, thanks to Bryson, Owens and CDNN! Talk about “WHEW!”!
 

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Thank you for the review of CDNN!


Based on your well written review of CDNN as a retail firearms sales company, I will be trying them out shortly. As you are, I am relatively new to firearms and I’d like to deal with as forgiving an organization as possible. Offhand, do you have any recommendations from their stock, for the recoil sensitive, that will be effective for self defense?
 

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You'll get all kinds of responses on this. Personally I don't carry anything for protection smaller than 9mm. That's my minimum. People carry everything though. .380 is less recoil and .22lr is even less.

Now here's the kicker. Pick up a pocket polymer .380 and I bet you'll think the recoil is just like a 9mm. For me, the smaller the gun, the larger the recoil, and the caliber comes into play to.

If I were to be in the market for a new carry gun. I would buy a CZ Rami 9mm. It's all metal, weighs more, good capacity and it's a sweet shooting small gun that handles 9mm recoil well.

Just use the recommendations to go shoot the models recommended. Don't buy anything without shooting it. What we like could be vastly different than what you like.

Glock is the number one selling brand of pistols. I hate them though, but they work real well for others. So there really isn't a wrong gun. There's the right gun for you. (I also like my guns attractive. Glocks are butt ugly.)

My top three preferences are below, but you could find just as many people who would hate using these models.

CZ Rami 9mm
Springfield XD Mod.2 9mm (heavy polymer because of capacity)
Springfield XD S 9mm
 

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For the home, I’d venture to say, to get one of their nice heavy 6 round .357 revolvers and load it with low recoil .38 special ammo. Best of both worlds, ample stopping ability and low recoil. Then for a backup and pocketbook / jacket carry, their Ruger LCR .22 LR could be considered.
 
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