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Anything is possible, but I've been on a lot of jobs with ESU and they always had 12 gauge pumps. Not sure what the side by side thing was all about. First time I've heard of that. But here's a good one along the same lines; My brother in law was a PO across the river in urban North Jersey in the mid 80's. His department was not very large and the detectives were also the tactical specialists or SWAT, and their rifle was a 30.30 Winchester lever action. Go figure!.
Apparently, they retired the doubles in 2001. The Ithaca Model 37 was the standard pump for long time with Remington 870s coming on later.

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Anything is possible, but I've been on a lot of jobs with ESU and they always had 12 gauge pumps. Not sure what the side by side thing was all about. First time I've heard of that. But here's a good one along the same lines; My brother in law was a PO across the river in urban North Jersey in the mid 80's. His department was not very large and the detectives were also the tactical specialists or SWAT, and their rifle was a 30.30 Winchester lever action. Go figure!.
My first agency before I went to the dark side and went fed had a lot of Model 94s and Marlin 336 lever guns. The first "official" patrol rifle was the Ruger Mini 14. Once a training program was designed for the AR because ding ding ding ding ding the bean counting brassholes figured out that a lot of officers were military veterans and had at least some experience with the M16/AR15 platform they were allowed to be carried if you bought your own. Soon, they were the only long gun you saw in most cruisers. Personally, I had my AR and my Remington 1100 in my rig.

But still...in rural departments...the 30-30 lever gun still makes a lot of sense, or is at least viable. It's phenomenal out to 150 yards, and a clean marksman can stretch that out to 200 without too much fuss. Top it with a decent piece of glass, like a 1-4x Illuminated reticle you have the versatility of close in and extended range shooting. Arguably, you can feed it as long as you have ammo, and no one can argue that a round that will knock a hog, a deer, or a black bear on its butt will also be effective on a two legged malefactor.

Between his service in the Army in Korea and VietNam, my dad was a deputy sheriff. When he came home from VietNam in 67, he went back to the department. He carried a 30-30 Marlin 336 in his cruiser for the entire time he was on the department. I clearly remember, when I was about 8 years old, seeing him wade into a gaggle of wannabe tough guy biker chuds in the parking lot of a bar in Arivaca, AZ, swinging his 30-30 like a baseball bat. He never fired a round, but that steel barrel and that American walnut stock sure left "a bad impression on the minds" of those dirtbags.

I will always have a fondness for the lever action rifle and the Smith & Wesson revolver. Dad carried a Model 29 4-Inch, loaded with LSWCHPs in 44 Special.
 
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