In NY/NJ you are not allowed to defend yourself or your property. You are only permitted to be a victim.
Bronx Suspect Charged with Murder for Beating Alleged Robber to Death with Metal Pipe
AMY FURR
20 Sep 2019
A Bronx man has been charged with murder after he allegedly chased down an attempted burglary suspect and beat him to death with a metal pipe.
The New York Police Department (NYPD) said it responded to a 911 call regarding a burglary in progress on East 223rd Street in Wakefield late Thursday night. Officers said they found the alleged robber in an alleyway and said he had sustained severe head trauma.
The 29-year-old man was taken to the Montefiore Medical Center, where he was pronounced dead, according to News 12.
Police said when the 54-year-old homeowner, Troy George, saw the suspect trying to break into his home, he confronted him and chased him into the alley, where he picked up a metal pipe and allegedly beat the man to death with it.
Authorities said George was taken into custody and later charged with murder.
Reports said they have not yet released the name of the man who died in the incident.
However, the NYPD told reporters that the alleged robber did have an extensive criminal background.
In January, a similar instance occurred when a man in St. Albans, Queens, was arrested on charges of alleged manslaughter of a suspect who tried to break into his home.
Joel Paul, 27, was accused of beating to death 26-year-old Shamel Shavuo with a baseball bat and stabbing him after he reportedly tried to force his way into Paul’s house.
“The guy tried to get into the house, and they tried to get him out,” said neighbor Kim Satchell. “He tried to push in, and the fight pursued, and they ended up falling out into the street.”
Neighbors watched as the two men, including Paul’s brother, reportedly joined in the deadly altercation.
“It is a very quiet neighborhood,” neighbor Robert Clarke said after the incident occurred.
Reports noted that Shavuo was also wanted for a shooting in Baltimore, Maryland.
https://www.breitbart.com/local/201...ting-alleged-robber-to-death-with-metal-pipe/
20 Sep 2019
A Bronx man has been charged with murder after he allegedly chased down an attempted burglary suspect and beat him to death with a metal pipe.
The New York Police Department (NYPD) said it responded to a 911 call regarding a burglary in progress on East 223rd Street in Wakefield late Thursday night. Officers said they found the alleged robber in an alleyway and said he had sustained severe head trauma.
The 29-year-old man was taken to the Montefiore Medical Center, where he was pronounced dead, according to News 12.
Police said when the 54-year-old homeowner, Troy George, saw the suspect trying to break into his home, he confronted him and chased him into the alley, where he picked up a metal pipe and allegedly beat the man to death with it.
Authorities said George was taken into custody and later charged with murder.
Reports said they have not yet released the name of the man who died in the incident.
However, the NYPD told reporters that the alleged robber did have an extensive criminal background.
In January, a similar instance occurred when a man in St. Albans, Queens, was arrested on charges of alleged manslaughter of a suspect who tried to break into his home.
Joel Paul, 27, was accused of beating to death 26-year-old Shamel Shavuo with a baseball bat and stabbing him after he reportedly tried to force his way into Paul’s house.
“The guy tried to get into the house, and they tried to get him out,” said neighbor Kim Satchell. “He tried to push in, and the fight pursued, and they ended up falling out into the street.”
Neighbors watched as the two men, including Paul’s brother, reportedly joined in the deadly altercation.
“It is a very quiet neighborhood,” neighbor Robert Clarke said after the incident occurred.
Reports noted that Shavuo was also wanted for a shooting in Baltimore, Maryland.
https://www.breitbart.com/local/201...ting-alleged-robber-to-death-with-metal-pipe/
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Well then ....... evidently a home-owner suffering from role confusion.
Where is the ban metal pipes and baseball bats crowd???
Yep! I agreed! bats and metal pipes should be banned! Who really deserves to own such dangerous items?Where is the ban metal pipes and baseball bats crowd???
It is quiet, unless you are the one being broken in on, then it get unquiet. The guy did the right thing by killing the intruder IMHO.“It is a very quiet neighborhood,” neighbor Robert Clarke said after the incident occurred.
In both of the reported instances a thief was caught breaking into a home. The homeowner scared them off, chased them down the street and beat them to death. Had the homeowner used a firearm, instead of a club, we'd all be saying it was a stupid move.
While I fully understand the urge to do physical damage to those who invade personal space and privacy with nefarious intent, murder is still murder regardless of the tool used.
While I fully understand the urge to do physical damage to those who invade personal space and privacy with nefarious intent, murder is still murder regardless of the tool used.
That is true, but the perpetrator of the killing is going to have a lot of sympathetic ears, if he takes a jury trial. He may get it down to manslaughter. Just my guess.In both of the reported instances a thief was caught breaking into a home. The homeowner scared them off, chased them down the street and beat them to death. Had the homeowner used a firearm, instead of a club, we'd all be saying it was a stupid move.
While I fully understand the urge to do physical damage to those who invade personal space and privacy with nefarious intent, murder is still murder regardless of the tool used.
{PS: I did not read the article closely, and I shot off my mouth too soon.}
Extricating yourself from a hand-to-hand fight is not easy. It's not like you can stop at the door when the other guy goes out the door. It's not like you can walk away and the other guy doesn't follow you back.In both of the reported instances a thief was caught breaking into a home. The homeowner scared them off, chased them down the street and beat them to death. Had the homeowner used a firearm, instead of a club, we'd all be saying it was a stupid move.
While I fully understand the urge to do physical damage to those who invade personal space and privacy with nefarious intent, murder is still murder regardless of the tool used.
We don't know all of the circumstances but I'm sure there's a really easy way to make sure you don't get beaten to death while attempting to rob a man's house. We'd just have to think on it a bit to see if we can come up with a solution that is 100% effective.
You are allowed to defend yourself but you have a duty to retreat. Now look, my personal view is I should be allowed to chase down a thief and shoot them or beat them to death with a pipe or whatever I can find. Unfortunately the law doesn't look at things that way. I am not allowed to chase a thief down and beat them to death. Here in Ohio we do have Castle Doctrine which does allow me to defend my life and property including the use of deadly force. When this incident plays out in the courts of NY a judicial system more enmeshed with the rights of the criminal than the victim will prevail. The guy who beat a common thief to death will end up in jail. I didn't write NY law but those living there are stuck with it. I did grow up in NYC and believe me have never had any desire to return there to live.In NY/NJ you are not allowed to defend yourself or your property. You are only permitted to be a victim.
Ron
Its very easy if you're winning. I've done it many times. When he goes down, stop. When he runs away, let him go. Do not chase him down the block. Self control while under duress is vital.Extricating yourself from a hand-to-hand fight is not easy.
I was being facetious to a degree but you made my point...In NY/NJ you are not allowed to defend yourself or your property. You are only permitted to be a victim.
My kids once asked me "Dad, If someone broke in our house and you shot them what would happen?"When this incident plays out in the courts of NY a judicial system more enmeshed with the rights of the criminal than the victim will prevail. The guy who beat a common thief to death will end up in jail.
Ron
I told them I would be arrested. As thats very likely what would happen. The local PD would charge me and let the courts figure it out. The left leaning county prosecutor would do their best to hang me just to show they're doing something to get those evil guns off the streets.
Not to mention doing so would achieve 2 things. It would bankrupt me and I'd lose my second amendment rights. The latter of which would make NJ very happy.
You've said it yourself. NY/NJ isn't florida or ohio. You defend yourself here you're likely going to jail.
All that said... In the case at hand, I don't believe the guy should have chased the perp and beat him to death with a pipe.
As I said in another thread, Harming or killing an immediate and approaching threat is self defense, Harming or killing a retreating threat is attempted murder/murder.
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