So you are a gun owner, do you back up that belief with a membership in a gun rights organization? I won't get into names but wanted to toss that on the table for discussion.
billt said:Another thing that I'm concerned about is the misinformation that is being spread about the NRA "compromising our rights away". For example the latest barrage of criticism that the NRA "conspired" with anti gun people about the law passed to improve the Insta Check system. I'm reading how the NRA "Helped pass a gun control law that denies people who have had mental issues in the past from buying a gun". That's nonsense. The NRA supported a law that did nothing but improve a system they have been in favor of for over a decade The Insta Check System has been full of flaws that caused eligible people to be denied their legal right to purchase a gun because it was a poor system the way it was set up from the get go. I myself was denied once even though I had a valid CCW Permit. It took a full day, and several phone calls to straighten it all out. The law the NRA helped pass did nothing but help improve a weak, problematic system. It did not deny anyone any rights they already have. Yet, in spite of the NRA explaining this fully in a very easy to read article in the American Rifleman Magazine, the myth continues on the Internet how the "NRA is in bed with the anti gun forces of this country". This type of misinformation about the NRA is going to cause more damage than any law they could, or might support, ever would. I'm not trying to sound like an old man here, but most of this kind of crap seems to be coming from the younger generation of shooters. I read this stuff constantly on a lot of the black rifle forums that are comprised of many of the younger shooters. I've been in the NRA since I was in high school back in 1969. I've seen this kind of thing before happen with the NRA. For example back in the mid 70's when Harlon Carter took over with his group of hard liners because many thought the NRA had been infiltrated by anti gun people. A "wolf in sheep's clothing" type of scenario. The NRA can't stop every piece of anti gun legislation that comes down the pike, but they are without question the best thing going for gun owners to date. Sure, by all means join the other groups such as GOA, CCKBA, and all the rest. But put the NRA at the head of your list. If you are saying why? Just ask any Democratic liberal politician what gun organization they hate the most? They will immediately reply, "The NRA!" That alone should tell you all you need to know. The more they hate, the better I like it! Bill T.
billt said:If you don't want the NRA calling you asking for donations, simply call them and ask to please be put on their "Do Not Promote List". I wish more members would do this instead of complaining about it constantly on the Internet. It doesn't do much to entice new members to join. Bill T.Glock27Bill said:Lastly, what do you think about the constant inundation of funding requests? It seems that the NRA’s sky is perpetually falling. I believe in supporting the cause, but am concerned that if I send something other than an anonymous Money Order (which I do) that it will be like feeding a stray kitty “just once” and I’ll get even MORE solicitations.
NRA member since 1969
Life Member since 1976
Glock27Bill said:(Although I have bought a couple of their DVDs and a set of gun cookie cutters).
I think the question was about gun RIGHTS.Rockatansky said:ATF :i:
That is good that you support them, I do also. But you know that they are less than 1 million members and very ineffective. I do hope they grow into the elephant in the living room but don't see that happening. In fact the Second Amendment Foundations is much bigger now, I believe.denfoote said:GOA all the way, baby!!
Agree totally. I've made this argument with the anti NRA, 20 something, black rifle dirt shooting crowd. But their reply is usually something to the effect, "Why should I pay to join an organization that has done nothing but compromise my rights away?" I get sick of listening to it. As I mentioned it's much more prevalent with the 20 something, black rifle, bump fire crowd. I really like AR-15's, and own several. But I really get sick of the attitude of many of the younger owners of them. They've brainwashed, (bull$h!tted would be a better word), themselves into thinking the NRA is worse than Sarah Brady. If you want a really good example of what I'm talking about go over to http://www.black-rifles.com/forums/index.php? I started a pro NRA thread over there, (same one as I did here), and just look at the fire it drew. There is one warped soul over there who calls himself "EOD" and is a moderator of sorts. He makes Joe Biden look like our best friend! It's totally unbelievable the way these nit wits think. I have a feeling this is the same crowd who believes we faked the Moon landings, and 9/11 was an "inside job"! Idiot's all. Bill T.sig232 said:That is good that you support them, I do also. But you know that they are less than 1 million members and very ineffective. I do hope they grow into the elephant in the living room but don't see that happening. In fact the Second Amendment Foundations is much bigger now, I believe.
The NRA is 4-5 times larger than any of the other gun organizations. If everyone were to get on board with them they would become much stronger and take a much tougher course backed up by strength in numbers. A 4-5 million membership out of 80 million gun owners is not a position of strength.
Gun owners need to wake up and join up!
billt said:Agree totally. I've made this argument with the anti NRA, 20 something, black rifle dirt shooting crowd. But their reply is usually something to the effect, "Why should I pay to join an organization that has done nothing but compromise my rights away?" I get sick of listening to it. As I mentioned it's much more prevalent with the 20 something, black rifle, bump fire crowd. I really like AR-15's, and own several. But I really get sick of the attitude of many of the younger owners of them. They've brainwashed, (bull$h!tted would be a better word), themselves into thinking the NRA is worse than Sarah Brady. If you want a really good example of what I'm talking about go over to http://www.black-rifles.com/forums/index.php? I started a pro NRA thread over there, (same one as I did here), and just look at the fire it drew. There is one warped soul over there who calls himself "EOD" and is a moderator of sorts. He makes Joe Biden look like our best friend! It's totally unbelievable the way these nit wits think. I have a feeling this is the same crowd who believes we faked the Moon landings, and 9/11 was an "inside job"! Idiot's all. Bill T.sig232 said:That is good that you support them, I do also. But you know that they are less than 1 million members and very ineffective. I do hope they grow into the elephant in the living room but don't see that happening. In fact the Second Amendment Foundations is much bigger now, I believe.
The NRA is 4-5 times larger than any of the other gun organizations. If everyone were to get on board with them they would become much stronger and take a much tougher course backed up by strength in numbers. A 4-5 million membership out of 80 million gun owners is not a position of strength.
Gun owners need to wake up and join up!
I get a kick out of the way he blames the NRA because he can't buy an Anti Tank gun, or a full auto at a hardware store. You simply can't argue with fools like that. He honestly believes we would have less gun control without the NRA. Bill T.sig232 said:I wonder if EOD is the same mod that is ECC at Gun Broker. He has the same attitude about the NRA. I see the same thing at GB. The anti-NRA crowd screams like a bunch of shrills when I put up my threads in defense of the NRA some time ago. They have driven many of the older supporters away.
billt said:I get a kick out of the way he blames the NRA because he can't buy an Anti Tank gun, or a full auto at a hardware store. You simply can't argue with fools like that. He honestly believes we would have less gun control without the NRA. Bill T.sig232 said:I wonder if EOD is the same mod that is ECC at Gun Broker. He has the same attitude about the NRA. I see the same thing at GB. The anti-NRA crowd screams like a bunch of shrills when I put up my threads in defense of the NRA some time ago. They have driven many of the older supporters away.
Just ruled on today, here's from NRA-ILA.sig232 said:One that comes to mind is the recent lawsuite when the NRA sued the city of San Francisco claiming their law outlawing gun ownership in the city was illegial. They won and proved that only the State of California can pass laws outlawing firearms. That was a big win for them. I have not followed it to completion since there was an appeal later on so some reasearch needs to be done to check the final outcome.
Glock27Bill said:Just ruled on today, here's from NRA-ILA.sig232 said:One that comes to mind is the recent lawsuite when the NRA sued the city of San Francisco claiming their law outlawing gun ownership in the city was illegial. They won and proved that only the State of California can pass laws outlawing firearms. That was a big win for them. I have not followed it to completion since there was an appeal later on so some reasearch needs to be done to check the final outcome.
NRA Wins Big in California State Court of Appeals Fairfax, VA – The California State Court of Appeals announced today their decision to overturn one of the most restrictive gun bans in the country, following a legal battle by attorneys for the National Rifle Association (NRA) and a previous court order against the San Francisco Board of Supervisors.
“Today’s decision by the California State Court of Appeals is a big win for the law-abiding citizens and NRA Members of San Francisco,” declared Chris W. Cox, NRA’s chief lobbyist.
Just last night I got a call from GOA asking for support to get in the Supreme Court fight.sig232 said:Glock27Bill said:Just ruled on today, here's from NRA-ILA.sig232 said:One that comes to mind is the recent lawsuite when the NRA sued the city of San Francisco claiming their law outlawing gun ownership in the city was illegial. They won and proved that only the State of California can pass laws outlawing firearms. That was a big win for them. I have not followed it to completion since there was an appeal later on so some reasearch needs to be done to check the final outcome.
NRA Wins Big in California State Court of Appeals Fairfax, VA – The California State Court of Appeals announced today their decision to overturn one of the most restrictive gun bans in the country, following a legal battle by attorneys for the National Rifle Association (NRA) and a previous court order against the San Francisco Board of Supervisors.
“Today’s decision by the California State Court of Appeals is a big win for the law-abiding citizens and NRA Members of San Francisco,” declared Chris W. Cox, NRA’s chief lobbyist.
There you go, thanks for picking up that info glock27bill. I am sure there are thousands of examples that can be pulled up that show lawsuits that the NRA has sponsored or participated in over the last 30+ years.
Thanks glock27bill. If you guys can find information of this type, please post it here, or else provide the link, and I'll flood their "NRA The Good" thread with it!sig232 said:There you go, thanks for picking up that info glock27bill. I am sure there are thousands of examples that can be pulled up that show lawsuits that the NRA has sponsored or participated in over the last 30+ years.