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Where is the position where you are a patriot and when do you become a Revolutionary, terrorist or a patriot? You can defend your country against foreign or domestic enemies or a tyrannical government but what if you’re in the minority? If the majority of voters want the type of government we have to become a socialist government and you go to arms against it, then are you a terrorist? Is it merely your perseption?
 

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Wow that is one to think about. Not a off the top of your head answer. If a crazzy person or group comes down the street shooting up the neighbor hood. Then yes defend the area. The best one can. Im not sure how i would do in a milita with my health. Probably would serve better as a sniper or help with munitions. But we sure don't need to go socialistic or communist.
 

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I have always thought "patriot" was an appellation of honor, something one does not give to oneself. I would be proud for others to call me a patriot and I try to live up to standards that would make me worthy of that. But it is not a title I would be so arrogant as to give myself.

I have voluntarily and honorably served my country in the military. I have obeyed the laws, paid my taxes and raised good kids. I volunteer for and contribute to, political organizations that support the Constitution, especially 2A. I always vote.

A terrorist, by definition, is someone who uses violence to create terror, rather than achieve justified military objectives. I am not one of those. A revolutionary is someone who supports an organized revolution against tyranny. I would be one of those if there was tyranny. I don't believe having an election outcome I don't like rises to the level of tyranny. If the election was not fairly won, that is for the courts to decide. We shall see.

I believe in the Constitution and I believe that while there are shenanigans going on by people who are supposed to be upholding it, it is still basically in operation, even though I don't like the direction things are going.
 

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A patriot is someone who defends his/her country from all enemies, foreign and domestic. If you do battle against communist forces working inside the United States, I'd call you a patriot. Those same communist forces would call you a terrorist. History is almost always written from the victor's viewpoint.
 

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Democrats and Leftist career politicians beating their pigeon chests and proclaiming themselves "Patriot" are just about the worst. And we veteran's who have put some amount of our life's years into service, or those who honor our Constitution and laws, are never fooled by these poseurs and fakes.
 

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If a majority of the country votes for a socialist government that changes the fabric of our country.
The constitutional protections are not enforced. The only way to change it is to amend the constitution. Not by voting for a Marxist president and Congress. So i would be a patriot if combat bad political policies that go against the constitution.
My allegiance is to the constitution of the United States, not an elected official.
I would not consider myself a terrorist.
 

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Funny thing about definitions, they get changed more often than many realize; they are driven by current mainstream perceptions. For a large portion of the populace of America, defending the Constitution is not patriotic at all; they think it needs to be changed! If one defers to the populace to determine if your actions are honorable, you may find many who think not and thus despise you and your actions. Just because you perceive something to be patriotic, does not mean it will be accepted by the populace as patriotic. Patriotism is in the eyes of the beholder, and sadly each generation of Americans are being manipulated and indoctrinated into a totally different view of patriotism than even the definition Stamps posted; many today would see it as patriotic to tear down the pillars of American good and exchange it for socialism...that is quite obvious if we simply observe. The problem is the goal posts are constantly in flux, being moved with no fixed good and righteous position because our moral compass as individuals and as a nation are broken. We have lost our direction.

People are easily swayed by the charisma of a speaker and fail to hear the toxicity of what that person is really saying, and thus they all run after one like Obama who, though elected President of the United States, in action and words was/is very anti-American. When we don’t know right and wrong for ourselves we will elect pitiful leaders and we will lash out at true patriots and call them terrorists. And it will only get worse.

I can say with all sincerity, today, depending upon whom you asked, I might be called a patriot, a terrorist or a rebel. I try to not listen to those perceptions, but simply strive to keep my heart and mind set on what is good and right and fight for those things regardless of what the masses are crying out. I will stand before the Righteous Judge of all the earth one day, justified by the blood of Christ through the grace of God. I do not fret over what people may label me, though I seek to offend no one, but I will strive with my last breath to be His faithful servant till my last breath is gone.
 

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When you support and defend the Constitution and seek to make it apply equally to everyone, even those you dislike, you are a Patriot.
When you seek to change that Constitution, you are a Revolutionary. Not necessarily an Outlaw Revolutionary.
When you seek to change it outside of the established legal processes because you don't like it or it's application, you are an Outlaw Subversive Revolutionary.
When you employ intimidation or violent acts to change the Constitution, especially against the will of the People, you are a Terrorist.

I fall under Patriot.

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If I live long enough for it to be called into question, the question won't need to be asked. I suspect the same holds true of most patriots.

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You would be called a terrorist today but if you succeeded you might be called a patriot tomorrow.
 

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to borrow a quote......"one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter"......

the thing is.....Throw in the necessary and proper clause, the commerence clause, and a few other things.....and then the basic Bill of Rights and specifically the 14th amendment and how that changed perspective and expanded to what it is today compared to 1868......it all comes down to just how things are defined and and whether or not they become expansive and encompassing.

the defender of the Constitution when it comes to these domestic political conflicts and political idealogy is SCOTUS.......they are the final authority to make the decision as to constitutional or not. To go against SCOTUS is an unconstitutional act in itself and suddenly you or i become the domestic enemy...that is when the faith in our Constitution has been lost.

if or when the executive branch of govt......which enforces the law.....openly defies the SCOTUS or nullifies it, then houston we have a problem....checks and balances have failed.....the Constitution itself will then be in peril.....tyranny will exist...and action will be required.

i will wait till then before i take up arms. to jump the gun....so to speak.... makes a great deal of difference from being a patriot or a domestic enemy......
 

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"to borrow a quote......"one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter"......"

And that is a true statement. How you are called a patriot or a terrorist, depends on who is doing the calling, a member of the tyrannical government would say that you are a terrorist, while a member of the oppressed citizens will call you a patriot. History will also name you depending who wins the conflict, remember that history is written by the winners..
 

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and re-written by later generations to suit their narrative........
 

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to borrow a quote......"one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter"......

To go against SCOTUS is an unconstitutional act in itself and suddenly you or i become the domestic enemy...that is when the faith in our Constitution has been lost.

if or when the executive branch of govt......which enforces the law.....openly defies the SCOTUS or nullifies it, then houston we have a problem....checks and balances have failed.....the Constitution itself will then be in peril.....tyranny will exist...and action will be required.
While there is some question that Andrew Jackson really uttered the words "John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it", his actions certainly said them. Action required for defying the Supreme Court: the popular Jackson wound up on the $20 bill.

Teddy Roosevelt famously said "D*** the law, I want the Canal built!" Action required for defying federal law: the popular Roosevelt wound up on Mount Rushmore.

On May 25, 1861, at 2:00 AM, John Merryman was seized out of his bed and arrested without charge on orders from Abraham Lincoln. That was 18 days before they fired on on Fort Sumter. The very next day, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, Roger Taney, ruled that Congress could not authorize the president to suspend habeas corpus. With that ruling the United States Supreme Court ordered that Merryman be released or turned over to the civil authorities and charged with a crime by May 27th.

Lincoln supposedly responded by ordering Ward Hill Lamon, marshal for the District of Columbia, to arrest the Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, Roger Taney. If Lincoln really did issue the order to arrest Taney (as opposed to just muttering about it), there is no doubt that Lamon refused to honor it.

Now on a roll, Lincoln had thousands of suspected "traitors" jailed without formal charges, trials or contact with attorneys. He even arrested dozens of Maryland legislators and the mayor of Baltimore.

The state song of Maryland begins with "Maryland, my Maryland, the despot's heel is at thy shore -- something, something -- the blood flowed through the streets of Baltimore."

The despot in that official state song is Abraham Lincoln.

Action required for all of the above: the revered Lincoln is honored by Mount Rushmore, the $5 bill, the penny, a huge monument in Washington DC, and more colleges (plural), parks, streets, cities (including one state capital), and commercial businesses than one can count -- and at least one Star Trek episode.
 

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and it is noted......Jackson and the argument of States Rights vs Federal authority was part of the continuing distrust between north and south that continued to heat up with friction till the war between the States. And Jackson's lack of action indirectly led to the Trail of Tears in Cherokee history. Jackson was supported by the South....it was just a polarizing time in politics then as it is today. That the SCOTUS did not direct or mandate Jackson is interesting in itself.....if they would had, then the war between the States would had happened much sooner.

Lincoln's actions speak for themselves. He saved nothing...the Constitution was already trashed at that point..Succession was already in progress before he even took office. Martial law and war time politics take a life of their own. Chaos was more the order in govt than anything.
 

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The definition of all the words being tossed around up the entirely depend on who remains in power.

You will be called a patriot if you are called upon and answer, but only if those in power are on your side, otherwise, you are a traitor.

You are a terrorist if you initiate conflict and there is no declaration of war, otherwise, your are a hero, but only if your side wins, otherwise, you are still a traitor.

If you organize in a militia and your side wins, you are a revolutionary. If your side loses, you are rebels.

It all boils down to who remains in control when it’s over. Your punishment or reward will depend on it, as will your memory when you’re gone.
 

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A good read. Puts in perspective how you are seen at the time. The price paid and how your side winning defines what you were in history. Who would these men in history be if the British won?

Yes, true patriots do what is right regardless of the cost, and regardless of what those currently in power would label them. Being a patriot is not a matter of pleasing the masses, but is a matter of doing what is right regardless of the masses and regardless of how they might label you...
 

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Jackson and the argument of States Rights vs Federal authority ...

That the SCOTUS did not direct or mandate Jackson is interesting in itself ...

Lincoln's actions speak for themselves. He saved nothing...the Constitution was already trashed at that point..Succession was already in progress before he even took office.
You will be called a patriot if you are called upon and answer, but only if those in power are on your side, otherwise, you are a traitor ...

It all boils down to who remains in control when it’s over.
Not to split hairs, but my post was not about the historical events, but about real-life examples of what Philmo11 is saying up there.
 
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