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Anyone recognize the identity of this Non-Ruger barrel?

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Hello all,

I've been researching this filming prop for years and trying to figure out what make/model firearm this barrel might have come from, and so far I can't seem to find anything even close. Do any of you guys recognize it?

The firearm in this photograph is actually a Ruger Standard upper (pre-65) with a Ruger Standard/MK1 lower (post '71) with a trimmed upper receiver on the barrel end, possibly for the new barrel. That's what I can tell from my research so far..I have no clue why that sort of frame swap was needed.. But this one in particular was altered by Bapty of England for film use and eventually made it's way into the 1977 film, Star Wars (likely altered beforehand, they did alter many, many film firearms over the years and still do), and this one eventually became known as 'Greedo's Blaster' (without that Buck Rogers looking muzzle in this photo, luckily, haha). But the base mysterious, alternate barrel remained the same.

The main mysterious alteration is the barrel that was retro-fitted to this frankensteined Ruger. Disregard the silver colored add-on muzzle parts, as those were likely custom made. But as for the blued, threaded and tapered section of this barrel, it appears to be from another type of firearm, of an unknown caliber. And it's most likely not a Ruger barrel of any sort due to the sharp 90-degree transition from the tapered portion of the barrel to the larger diameter (threaded) portion of the barrel up against the receiver. All of the Rugers I've seen have a smooth flange with small radius transition there and a larger thread internally on all of their barrels than this one does.

And also this barrel has some stamped markings/numbers visible right on the side of the barrel (running right near the barrel's reflection), but sadly they're not quite clear enough to make out what it says exactly.. The taper also seems to suggest that it's a pistol barrel as well, since the taper is too steep to reach a rifle barrel length, but it's possible too that it could be a rifle barrel with a steep taper first then a slight taper after, so it's really up in the air and anyone's guess at this point.

Thank you all very much for taking a look!


-Carson

The full prop pre-Star Wars:

Air gun Trigger Line Gun barrel Gun accessory



And a close-up version of the same showing the stamping and finer threads on this barrel:

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I’d like to see the engraving on the Franklin barrel.
Sadly the B&W photo closeup is the best quality available of the mystery barrel as of yet.. If the markings were a just a hair more visible, it might be very easy to find.
The first mark on the receiver-end looks like it 'might' be a proof-mark of some kind, but it kinda of looks like an Asian symbol though. I can't fully make out any of the barrel markings at all, with enhancements I was able to make out the receiver's serial as 202958 (so it's a '62 upper it seems), but that still doesn't help at all as far as the barrel is concerned. haha


-Carson
Looks like the barrel was cut off. Then that "extension " crimped on over it. I suspect they may have cut off the receiver end of the barrel also. Welded barrel shut. then refit that "threaded nut" in and attached only a short piece of the original barrel.
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..Wow, that's actually a great theory towards threaded portion! I hadn't thought about that.. The only issue though is the markings on the barrel, most stock Rugers pre-'76 didn't have any barrel markings that I've seen, so possibly another barrel but with a threaded adapter as you mentioned, maybe? I'm still not sure why they even changed the barrel at all and turned down the upper (roughly an 1/8" to .13" from what I can measure from the photo)..

The only thing I can think of is that they wanted to remove the stock barrel from that pistol they had already in their armory a ways before, and at some point cut the upper short to loosen the tension of the super torqued barrel more easily..since Ruger was kinda known for torquing their berrels fairly tight, haha. With Bapty's extensive inventory, turning a receiver down to remove a barrel quickly wouldn't be much of a stretch I suppose, they were known for modifying and machining pretty much anything and everything that they wanted to on a whim. An interestingly sad freedom I suppose..


-Carson

Looks like the barrel was cut off. Then that "extension " crimped on over it. I suspect they may have cut off the receiver end of the barrel also. Welded barrel shut. then refit that "threaded nut" in and attached only a short piece of the original barrel.
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..Wow, that's actually a great theory towards threaded portion! I hadn't thought about that.. The only issue though is the markings on the barrel, most stock Rugers pre-'76 didn't have any barrel markings that I've seen, so possibly another barrel but with a threaded adapter as you mentioned, maybe? I'm still not sure why they even changed the barrel at all and turned down the upper (roughly an 1/8" to .13" from what I can measure from the photo)..

The only thing I can think of is that they wanted to remove the stock barrel from that pistol they had already in their armory a ways before, and at some point cut the upper short to loosen the tension of the super torqued barrel more easily..since Ruger was kinda known for torquing their berrels fairly tight, haha. With Bapty's extensive inventory, turning a receiver down to remove a barrel quickly wouldn't be much of a stretch I suppose, they were known for modifying and machining pretty much anything and everything that they wanted to on a whim. An interestingly sad freedom I suppose..


-Carson
Since the pistol was in England, you can bet it was stamped a lot more before it could be sold. Proof marks included.
thats a mk1 too , not scalloped at the charging end , nah , i think standard , clearly a camping weapon doubles as a tent peg driver
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