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We need to start speeking up publically as gun owners and 2nd supporters. because our silence is causing us to lose our rights due to the way media has become propagandists instead of journalists. Our reliance on the NRA to do our speeking for us is having a determental effect now that those propagandists have demonied the NRA and spread unconfirmed falsehoods like the gun industry is running the NRA. And the NRA is at fault for the mass shootings etc.

The alt left have got a wonderful stratagy because we stay silent. The alt left been redefining definitions in order to stoop the vast majorty of dem moderates that make up the bulk of the dem party. It is just a minority that is pushing the whole dem party.

Things that need to be addressed is the manipulation of mass shooting definitions etc. False representation by claiming "common sense gun laws" red flag laws etc.
Exposing the false flag antigun grassroots for what they really are fronts for a couple of billionair philaphortist, and brady campaign and its offshoots. like everytown and moms against gun violence etc.

We are losing because of our silence. We can't just stay silent. and hope it will blow over. Hasn't anyone noticed how the media drags mass shootings out untill the next one happens ? in order to give the false impression that its an ongoing eppidemic of catastrophic proportions?

Example I read a mainstream article for the push to force CDC to do Gun violence studies and that a certain bill stops CDC from doing the studdies. While ignoring the fact that it was brady campaign and etc that were pushing a politically biased narrative with a predefined outcome for the research to which the CDC was performing before that law was put in place to stop.

We need to get off our posteers and show the average joe the actual facts as to why that law was put in place to stop false flag studies due to proccess being predetermined planned outcome against guns.

I could go on but I am preaching to the quire. My point here is the way we did things in the past by sitting on the sidelines not being personally active and allowing other people to do the work, Like NRA. won't work anymore the alt left and anti gunners have retooled in a manor as to fool the average ignorant joe on the street. By manipulating termonology and outright distorting facts.
 

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It is a great idea. Only problem is that the left owns 90 percent of the media.
Hard to get our point of view out there for the other side to see.
Ignorant people just listen and believe the stories about us that they hear on CNN MSNBC ect.
Today's journalists seem to have all graduated from the Joseph Goebbels school of journalism
 

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The CDC is forbidden by law from studying gun violence as a health issue.

The ban comes from the NRA as surrogate for the gun industry.

I say let the CDC do its job just as it does with other health concerns.

Americans do not benefit from lack of information.
 

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It is a great idea. Only problem is that the left owns 90 percent of the media.
Hard to get our point of view out there for the other side to see.
Ignorant people just listen and believe the stories about us that they hear on CNN MSNBC ect.
Today's journalists seem to have all graduated from the Joseph Goebbels school of journalism
You'd have a hard time proving that 90 percent of the media is owned by the left.

Fox News is a strong leader in the 24/7 space. Those you mention are far behind.

Also, "media," nowadays includes "social."

ABC News on TV uses YouTube as a source for 1/2 of it evening presentation. It's cheap. No need for reporters and stuff.

For mass shootings and the like, "citizen reporters," attract the eyeballs.

Notice that audio/visuals are coming from smartphones on the scene. Those people are ducking for life and the only "left or right" leaning is toward a god that they hope won't allow them to be killed.

The word is out there, but the mass shooters are the representatives with the huge megaphone.
 

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The CDC is forbidden by law from studying gun violence as a health issue.

The ban comes from the NRA as surrogate for the gun industry.

I say let the CDC do its job just as it does with other health concerns.

Americans do not benefit from lack of information.
The ban doesn't come from the NRA. The NRA is what you'd call a Non-Government-Organization, or NGO. They have no power to ban anything. The ban is self-inflicted but done so for good reason.

The CDC, or Center for Disease Control and Prevention is charged to control and prevent disease. Lead-poisoning is not a disease. Any previous attempts to classify gunshots as a disease were purely politically motivated and so Congress had to threaten the CDC to stay out of politics and remain focused on actual diseases.

In 1996, the Republican-majority Congress threatened to strip funding from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention unless it stopped funding research into firearm injuries and deaths. The National Rifle Association accused the CDC of promoting gun control. As a result, the CDC stopped funding gun-control research — which had a chilling effect far beyond the agency, drying up money for almost all public health studies of the issue nationwide.

DiseaseParticular Abnormal Condition
A disease is a particular abnormal condition that negatively affects the structure or function of part or all of an organism, and that is not due to any external injury.
There are lots of good studies from DOJ (though very few during the Obama administration) on gun violence. There's no lack of information.
 

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Never considered gun violence a health issue. I can't get sick from a gun. Just like deaths from car accidents are not health issues.
The gun grabbers would like to make it a health issue, but it is not.
As far as the left controlling most of the media.
Take all the network news, newspapers, Google, Facebook, most all of cable news except for lonely Fox news which I don't consider conservative but more of an outlet which shows both sides a little more than most. Throw in Hollywood and yes I would say that the media is somewhat one sided.
 

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here is the real reason guns are a health issue in the medical field. From a doctors persective: its related directly to suicide. And guns being the most succesful meathod of achieving it. Along with accidental shootings. They determined that suicide was a mental health issue and thus a public health concern. But then brady and such grabbed that and added gun murder into the mix as a injury and death issue.



CDC also study injury and death prevention.



There have been gun related studies since this ammendment was enacted. Where they could collect facts etc and present them to congress. to help congress shape laws. But the research could not be biased (which is why the ammendment was emplaced.). like only reporting injuries and deaths but failing to report all the instances where the guns saved a life or more in a defensive action.

problem is the folks that were submitting studies to CDC for funding where demonstrating pre-bias and was aiming for a very anti gun outcome rather than going where the facts take you both for and against or inconclusive..

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The Dickey Amendment is a provision first inserted as a rider into the 1996 United States federal government omnibus spending bill which mandated that "none of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) may be used to advocate or promote gun control."[SUP][1][/SUP] In the same spending bill, Congress earmarked $2.6 million from the CDC's budget, the exact amount that had previously been allocated to the agency for firearms research the previous year, for traumatic brain injury-related research.[SUP][2][/SUP]


The amendment was lobbied for by the National Rifle Association (NRA). The amendment is named after its author Jay Dickey, a Republican member of the United States House of Representatives from Arkansas.[SUP][2][/SUP] Although not an explicit ban on gun research, the Dickey Amendment's vagueness has since blocked the CDC from funding studies on gun violence, for fear that the CDC would be financially penalized; as a result, the amendment is sometimes referred to as a ban on CDC-funded gun research.[SUP][3]"[/SUP]
 

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Never considered gun violence a health issue. I can't get sick from a gun. Just like deaths from car accidents are not health issues.
The gun grabbers would like to make it a health issue, but it is not.
As far as the left controlling most of the media.
Take all the network news, newspapers, Google, Facebook, most all of cable news except for lonely Fox news which I don't consider conservative but more of an outlet which shows both sides a little more than most. Throw in Hollywood and yes I would say that the media is somewhat one sided.
Its a injury and death prevention issue which falls under CDC perview
 

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here is the real reason guns are a health issue in the medical field. From a doctors persective: its related directly to suicide. And guns being the most succesful meathod of achieving it. Along with accidental shootings. They determined that suicide was a mental health issue and thus a public health concern. But then brady and such grabbed that and added gun murder into the mix as a injury and death issue.



CDC also study injury and death prevention.



There have been gun related studies since this ammendment was enacted. Where they could collect facts etc and present them to congress. to help congress shape laws. But the research could not be biased (which is why the ammendment was emplaced.). like only reporting injuries and deaths but failing to report all the instances where the guns saved a life or more in a defensive action.

problem is the folks that were submitting studies to CDC for funding where demonstrating pre-bias and was aiming for a very anti gun outcome rather than going where the facts take you both for and against or inconclusive..

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The Dickey Amendment is a provision first inserted as a rider into the 1996 United States federal government omnibus spending bill which mandated that "none of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) may be used to advocate or promote gun control."[SUP][1][/SUP] In the same spending bill, Congress earmarked $2.6 million from the CDC's budget, the exact amount that had previously been allocated to the agency for firearms research the previous year, for traumatic brain injury-related research.[SUP][2][/SUP]


The amendment was lobbied for by the National Rifle Association (NRA). The amendment is named after its author Jay Dickey, a Republican member of the United States House of Representatives from Arkansas.[SUP][2][/SUP] Although not an explicit ban on gun research, the Dickey Amendment's vagueness has since blocked the CDC from funding studies on gun violence, for fear that the CDC would be financially penalized; as a result, the amendment is sometimes referred to as a ban on CDC-funded gun research.[SUP][3]"[/SUP]
Very relevant citation. Thanks.
 

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Very relevant citation. Thanks.
Also this from same source
In a 2016 article in The Atlantic on the impact of the Dickey Amendment, Rosenberg says: “It was the leadership of CDC who stopped the agency from doing gun violence research ... Right now, there is nothing stopping them from addressing this life-and-death national problem."[SUP][11][/SUP] As the article notes this assertion runs counter to the "conventional wisdom" of the Dickey Amendment "as blocking the agency [i.e. the CDC] from conducting research on firearms deaths and injuries."[SUP][11][/SUP]


I did the bold italic underline
 

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here is the real reason guns are a health issue in the medical field. From a doctors persective: its related directly to suicide. And guns being the most succesful meathod of achieving it. Along with accidental shootings. They determined that suicide was a mental health issue and thus a public health concern. But then brady and such grabbed that and added gun murder into the mix as a injury and death issue.



CDC also study injury and death prevention.



There have been gun related studies since this ammendment was enacted. Where they could collect facts etc and present them to congress. to help congress shape laws. But the research could not be biased (which is why the ammendment was emplaced.). like only reporting injuries and deaths but failing to report all the instances where the guns saved a life or more in a defensive action.

problem is the folks that were submitting studies to CDC for funding where demonstrating pre-bias and was aiming for a very anti gun outcome rather than going where the facts take you both for and against or inconclusive..

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The Dickey Amendment is a provision first inserted as a rider into the 1996 United States federal government omnibus spending bill which mandated that "none of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) may be used to advocate or promote gun control."[SUP][1][/SUP] In the same spending bill, Congress earmarked $2.6 million from the CDC's budget, the exact amount that had previously been allocated to the agency for firearms research the previous year, for traumatic brain injury-related research.[SUP][2][/SUP]


The amendment was lobbied for by the National Rifle Association (NRA). The amendment is named after its author Jay Dickey, a Republican member of the United States House of Representatives from Arkansas.[SUP][2][/SUP] Although not an explicit ban on gun research, the Dickey Amendment's vagueness has since blocked the CDC from funding studies on gun violence, for fear that the CDC would be financially penalized; as a result, the amendment is sometimes referred to as a ban on CDC-funded gun research.[SUP][3]"[/SUP]

More lies about the doctor's concers with suicide. More and more, states and doctors are enacting laws and programs to help people commit suicide. The only objection most doctors have to suicide is that it's not Doctor Assisted suicide - in other words, they want their cut of the action. Maybe doctors could start selling handgun ammunition, making up for the loss of Walmart as a source, and then they would be fully supportive of handguns for suicide.
 

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More lies about the doctor's concers with suicide. More and more, states and doctors are enacting laws and programs to help people commit suicide. The only objection most doctors have to suicide is that it's not Doctor Assisted suicide - in other words, they want their cut of the action. Maybe doctors could start selling handgun ammunition, making up for the loss of Walmart as a source, and then they would be fully supportive of handguns for suicide.
Doctors enacting laws? I've worked with doctors of laws, but that described their degree level.
 

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Doctors enacting laws? I've worked with doctors of laws, but that described their degree level.
You really like to twist things. He said, "from a doctor's perspective." I simply pointed out the hypocrisy of the doctors perspective and added in the hypocrisy of the state legislatures and other liberals who support a right to commit suicide. Don't twist words. It makes your posts incredible.
 

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You really like to twist things. He said, "from a doctor's perspective." I simply pointed out the hypocrisy of the doctors perspective and added in the hypocrisy of the state legislatures and other liberals who support a right to commit suicide. Don't twist words. It makes your posts incredible.
Thanks. :wink:
 

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That's a great sentiment, OP, keep in mind that less than 5% of all gun owners will even pony up the dough to join the NRA.
And here lies part of our problem. The NRA is, by no means, perfect, they have been know to make some dicey mistakes, but it remains at the forefront of our fight to retain our guns rights, and so other gun groups such as GOA etc. We, gun people, need to come together to defend our rights or we WILL lose them, one way to do so is to join the organizations that fights for our 2nd amendment rights such as the NRA, GOA, etc. but, what I see is gun owners who simply have decided that there is no need to become members, being their argument as cost, "I am a hunter, so I do not care if a law is passed outlaying handguns", "I do not use a silencer therefore is no need for me to joint", etc, etc, etc.
Anti-gun laws affect ALL of us, hunters, competition shooters, self defense advocates, etc. We all need to become members of gun groups to support their effort to fight against onerous gun laws.

I am a life member of the NRA, and would like to join some other groups, what is preventing me from joining, has to do with cost, I am in a fix income situation and every penny counts, but, at this time, I am making a budget to try to become a member of GOA. If every gun owner in America were to be a member, I would guaranty that politician will think twice before they enact anti-gun laws.
 
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