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An AR for example:The lower receiver has a serial number and must go through and FFL, correct?
An 80% lower has no serial number and can be mailed directly to you. It does require some machining to make it operable. Correct?
With a serial numberless gun you have a ghost gun. Correct?
Is a ghost gun legal to have? In Ca an AR is illegal but is a ghost gun legal? I have no interest in ARs but just wondering about the laws that pertain to ghost guns.
 

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The lower receiver has a serial number and must go through and FFL, correct? Yes.

An 80% lower has no serial number and can be mailed directly to you. It does require some machining to make it operable. Correct? Correct.

With a serial numberless gun you have a ghost gun. Correct? Correct.

Is a ghost gun legal to have? Yes,not legal for resale.

In Ca an AR is illegal but is a ghost gun legal? Uninformed on California laws blah blah blah.......you know the drill.
 

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OK thanks river for the reply. I'm wondering what purpose a ghost gun has when taking one to the shooting range. As long as noone sees it I assume everything is fine but transporting it could be a bad thing. I'm paranoid about even moving firearms. I figure there will be something I'm doing wrong.
 

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Doesn't CA make certain aspects of the AR illegal? Pistol grip, flash suppressor, etc? Ghost AR has the same stuff?
 

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OK, any design of gun could be a "ghost gun". If you build it yourself, and it has no serial #, it is a "ghost gun", regardless of the design. AFAIK, ATF restricts the building of one gun per person, for personal use only, and in no circumstances for resale.

NOW, an AR-15 is an AR-15, regardless if it qualifies for "ghost gun" status, or not. So, if you build an AR-15, or any other gun that violates California law, in California, other laws aside, you now hold a firearm it is illegal to possess. "Ghost Gun" status is immaterial to the design not being allowed in California, which IIRC, also doesn't like ghost guns.

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Yes Sam, you are correct. A silencer/suppressor is illegal as well as a threaded barrel. Even with a thread protector put on with locktite and a some channel locks still doesn't hide the fact that it is a threaded barrel.Stupid states have stupid rules and it is hard to find out all that applies to anything you do. I just figure that it is illegal until I can find out differently.
 

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Yes they are legal to buy,make and use but in some states they have to be configured a certain way to be legal. Not sure about selling them though, i have seen conflicting stuff on this and not sure about the law except i know you can't make them just to sell them. I know there was talk of banning them in certain states because they lack serial numbers but there are places you can send them to be serialized to make them legal or if you just want to in case it's stolen. I was thinking about doing a handgun build here in NY but all handguns must be registered with the serial number. They also have to be serialized before you complete the lower because if you build it first then you have a unregistered handgun.. I opted out of the idea as i didn't want to pay for the lower, send it out, register it only to mess it up and then go through the process of "destroying" the gun to get it removed from my permit. it would cost more than buying a new gun anyway and just wanted to do it to try one. There is also a push in some states to classify 80% receivers as guns. Pretty sure NY and CA have been talking about it, maybe VA too and i just watched a video where they are trying to do it in PA as well.
 
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