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All kidding aside, it is really what the individual shoots best and feels the most confident with. Personally my choices are, in this order, .45, .40, .357 Mag and 9MM. The 9MM is a great round and will stop about any human with good shot placement. I like the size and weight of a .45 though. Any ammo testing I have seen shows that a 9MM might expand but a .45 will never shrink. In my short barrel, 3 inch, Kimber .45 I prefer to carry standard FMJ S&B 230 grain.
 

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Are there any statistics regarding civilians with CC weapons ? Shot fired calibers etc.? The FBI has this Info on Police encounters.
 

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Reality is, that statistically, most of us will never have to shoot somebody

in SD. But empiric and anecdotal evidence indicates that while 9mm is good,

45ACP seems to have a special advantage.
 

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Reality is, that statistically, most of us will never have to shoot somebody

in SD. But empiric and anecdotal evidence indicates that while 9mm is good,

45ACP seems to have a special advantage.
Very true. No matter what our wives/girlfriends tell us "Size does matter but where you place it is most important".
 

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I have like most gun guys all manner of handguns. I really like my 5" 1911 .38 Super Comp. loaded with the 124 grs. HPs turning 1,400 fps. That load makes a mess out of anything it hits. The gun I have carried for years is a vintage Colt Mustang .380 loaded with the new .380 SD ammo.
 

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You want something light and comfortable enough that you'll be comfortable carrying it regularly.

I'd highly recommend the FNS-9c. Small and light enough to to be comfortable. Still carries a 12 round mag. Comes with or without a thumb safety according to your preference. If you want even smaller, check out the XDs in 9mm.

Most stops are psychological anyway. Somebody lies down because they are shocked at being shot, or runs away because being shot sucks.

If you run into somebody that is hopped up on drugs and adrenaline who presses the issue after being shot... The advantage of the .45 round probably isn't going to make much difference. You'll want to ventilate them with as many holes as possible to have a better chance of hitting something vital. That means fast, accurate shots on target. 9mm will enable you to achieve that more easily than .45.

keep in mind... This is coming from a guy who is a huge fan of the .45 round.

just get yourself a quality hollow point that functions in your gun and 9mm will do everything you need it to.
 

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underdog, Thx for the link very interesting. I see the .357 Mag. 124 grs. remains the best close combat weapon. My .38 Super Compt. loads equals that load.
 

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Good discussion. I'm sure that most any medium caliber works fine for self defense, but I do admit to being partial to .45acp.

Asked why he carried a 1911, my Dad would say, "When I shoot a guy, I want him to stay shot."
 

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caliber for me is not the first priority.....the launch platform is......

for me it is the style of action followed by the size and then the weight, features, and shooter compatibility...........run the very "individual to you" percentages on those considerations as to what is important and the availability of certain calibers will either rise or fall........

so i pick my gun first and then see what calibers are available for it and go from there.

so far, my world still goes round and i thrive on the 38............
 

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Me and a few friends are looking for new CC pistols. I can't decide between 9mm or a 45. I would like a 45 for stopping power but they usually hold less and I am a little partial to them so that doesn't help the decision. Any tips would be great.
I am partial to a .45 with FMJ in a small gun. Something like this XD, and this gun is so small that there is no way for an HP to expand.
And +P would be pointless, but you can still hammer them with FMJ. That is my thinking.
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The discussion about FMJ vs HP is always on, same as the big caliber fewer rounds vs the smaller caliber but more rounds.

I dunno. Facts of actuall shootings tend to indicate that shot placement is more important.

Myself, I am more supportive of the .45 or the .357 mag, and let the results go wherever they wish. Myself, I tend toward fast and low weight bullets rather than the slower full mass round.

I'm certain that they all work fine. Whatever you feel best with is best, the pistol you can shoot with accurately and fast.
 

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I am partial to a .45 with FMJ in a small gun. Something like this XD, and this gun is so small that there is no way for an HP to expand.
And +P would be pointless, but you can still hammer them with FMJ. That is my thinking.
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I agree. I have 2 short barrel .45's and I use FMJ S&B ammo. I have the same XD MOD.2 in the picture but in 9MM and love it. Big XD guy here. I have 4 XD's in total.
 

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I've always been puzzled by the people who scream till they're blue in the face that it's better to use FMJ/Ball ammo in a .45 because HP can fail to expand.


YOU END UP WITH FMJ ANYWAYS!
 

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I've always been puzzled by the people who scream till they're blue in the face that it's better to use FMJ/Ball ammo in a .45 because HP can fail to expand.


YOU END UP WITH FMJ ANYWAYS!
My reason for preferring FMJ in my Short Barrel .45 is penetration not expansion. A .45 bullet creates a big enough hole without expanding. The expansion is just an added bonus. I just worry the .45 will be traveling much slower from a 3" barrel than a 5" barrel and worry about the expanded hollow point not penetrating enough. I also very much like the S&B ammo.

My full size .45 Springfield 1911 is loaded with Golden Saber but it has a 5" barrel.
 

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As I seem to understand -- I may be wrong, often am -- the idea of expansion of a round isn't the larger size of the resulting hole (maybe 30% or 40% larger) but the energy dump of the round being expanded.

Let's face it -- there are a zillion studies about ammo stopping, and some of them conflict.

I think that most any decent size round will work to stop the attack, which is what matters -- you're being physically attacked or shot at by some thug with a gun. A center tap round with a 9mm or 45 or whatever is generally what is needed.

There's a good dialogue about high velocity light bullets vs slower but heavier bullets, and they have approx the same energy. If you discount very small ammo, .22 or maybe .32, penetration is essential.

If you were to shot a thug in the chest or stomach with most any round, it will stop that person most likely. Of course the head shot or center heart or spinal shot is a sure instant stop.

Myself, I prefer the high velocity and light round, +P .357 or 45.
 

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I have my own range on the property. I've shot wood, LP tanks, full water jugs, tires, whole wheels,

refrigerators, full fire extinguishers, wet phone books, tin cans, Pine logs, and Oak logs, as well as other things i probably

can't remember. 45ACP is the round I choose for SD. YMMV. It's a free country.
 

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