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I have some Berrys 44 mag HP. They say not to load above 1250 FPS. On the box. The site says 1800. But accura's plated say 1300. So i would stay with in those guide lines.
 

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Lil’ Gun did the best even with the factory rounds. Granted, I was shooting without a rest so some of it was the shooter. These are 8 rounds at 50 yards with the factory buckhorn sights. Shoots about an inch or 2 high at that distance (hard to tell exactly). Probably about a 4” group. Some of it was finding point of impact. There are 5 shots in that bottom group, however, not consecutive.

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So this is new. The chamber in the Henry appears to be larger than the 45 Colt. This is the first one I noticed like this. The brass is actually deformed because the expansion was uneven.

The one on the top is the 45 Colt from my Ruger. The one on the bottom is the 44 magnum from the Henry. Notice the 44 appears curved.

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Notice the spidering in the brass wall (hope you can see that).

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Because of the way it expanded, the mouth is now slanted.

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This is the first time I’ve compared the expansion side by side. Had it not been for the deformed case, I may not have realized how much larger the expansion is.

Lil Gun burns really hot. So hot some people have complained about frame cutting in revolvers. Does this look like a combination of large chamber and extreme heat or just over pressure?
 

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Ok, I think I know what happened. Earlier I was testing 230gr 45 ACP bullets in 45 Colt. I loaded 2 then grabbed one from the batch with 250gr bullets to compare. Well... the 44 mags are right next to the 45 Colt box and they are identical. It’s entirely possible I fired a 44 mag from my Ruger Bisley 45 Colt cylinder. I took count of the 45 Colt brass on my table. I only see 2. I know I fired 3. It’s the only explanation I can come up with.

I thought nothing of it when I fired it because I was expecting 1,000 FPS and it clocked at 1,003 FPS.

Edit: that has to be what happened. The brass is too large for the 44 chamber. Ruger has earned a customer for life. I got lucky.
 

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Hodgdon is calling for 27.5 - 29.5gr Lil Gun for JHP 200gr. I haven’t loaded any yet. That’s a lot of Lil Gun. Probably a crushed load. Likely break the 2000 FPS barrier too. Exploring other options I have on hand. Then I’ll make a decision.
 

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Ok, I think I know what happened. Earlier I was testing 230gr 45 ACP bullets in 45 Colt. I loaded 2 then grabbed one from the batch with 250gr bullets to compare. Well... the 44 mags are right next to the 45 Colt box and they are identical. It’s entirely possible I fired a 44 mag from my Ruger Bisley 45 Colt cylinder. I took count of the 45 Colt brass on my table. I only see 2. I know I fired 3. It’s the only explanation I can come up with.

I thought nothing of it when I fired it because I was expecting 1,000 FPS and it clocked at 1,003 FPS.

Edit: that has to be what happened. The brass is too large for the 44 chamber. Ruger has earned a customer for life. I got lucky.
I would put that case somewhere visible when you reload to remind yourself how close you came...most all other .45 Colt revolvers would likely have failed considering the extra room allowed for the expansion to get a little momentum going before the cylinder walls contained the pressure.
 

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Loaded 4x 200gr XTP, 44 magnums with Blue Dot. Tested from 20” barrel Henry. 2x @ 14.1gr (min load) and 2x @ 15.0 (mid load). Clocked 1x 14.1gr at 1511. Second one errored out.

Snow was causing the errors. Saved the 2x 15.0gr loads to test tomorrow. I’ll test 15.5gr after I know what 15.0gr produces. 14.1gr was noticeably lighter recoil than the 2000fps Lil Gun loads.
 

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@AgedWarrior I ran 25 consecutive test throws looking for in consistency, most were +/-0.1gr between 14.9-15.1. Then about #23, I got a +0.4gr heavy throw. It happened 1 more time in the 95 I ran. I’m still a ways from the max charge so those did not concern me too much. I checked every other charge.

I appreciate the heads up. It took a while to see the inconsistency but I wouldn’t have been looking so hard if you hadn’t warned me.
 

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On to Blue Dot with 240gr plated bullets. XTP charge range is 12.1-13.7gr.

I loaded 3x @12.5gr and 3x @13.0gr

12.5gr = 1315, 1356, 1346 FPS
13.0gr = 1345, 1376, 1366 FPS

Honestly, 0.5gr only made 20fps difference even out of that 20” barrel so really not worth wasting the extra powder. 1370fps is 1,000lbs of energy so they are hovering just below that mark.
 

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When i started reloading i went for the fastest loads i could get. After wearing out brass to quick. Especially 10mm. I learned to back them off. Brass last much longer and powder goes further. Easier on the weapon too. Now and then ill shot some hot loads just to keep in practice. I love loading plinking rounds for rifle with shotgun powders. And point of impact does not change much compaired to full power loads out to 100 yards. Even when i shoot my smoke polls i load 75 grains instead of 100 grains. .
 

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On to Blue Dot with 240gr plated bullets. XTP charge range is 12.1-13.7gr.

I loaded 3x @12.5gr and 3x @13.0gr

12.5gr = 1315, 1356, 1346 FPS
13.0gr = 1345, 1376, 1366 FPS

Honestly, 0.5gr only made 20fps difference even out of that 20” barrel so really not worth wasting the extra powder. 1370fps is 1,000lbs of energy so they are hovering just below that mark.
I used 10gr of Blue Dot in .45 ACP for close to 1,100 fps with 200 gr cast bullets. It was a well tuned (ramped, ported, and polished 1911).
 
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