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Im a european looking for advice. For context, ill be moving to austria soon-ish, which has more lax gun laws than where i currently live, and ive been thinking about buying a rifle. Ive landed between either a .223 wylde Ar or a .308 AR. This is due to magazine size limits, rilfes only get a max of 10, so due to this austrias open environment i figured .308 might be worth it. The main reason i cant decide is due to logistical issues ( .308 costs and wheighs more than .223 etc.) and me not being sure if .223 has enough power ( yes, i know, a tale as old as time).

Why not both? This is due to the license system. A fresh license has "space" for 2 semi-automatic guns, be they rifles or handguns, and i also want to buy a handgun.

Why not a 5.56 AR? For some reason, those are not allowed. I dont get it either.

Why not an AUG? The civillian variant ( AUG-Z) is chambered for .223 rem, which was one of the main points of the wylde AR, being able to use military ammo in a pinch. Also mags cost 100 euro.

Why not an AK? It just seems like the halfway solution that does neither thing really well. ( .223s logistic advantage, .308s range advantage )

Here´s links to the rifles in question:
ALPEN ARMS STG15C 16,75" STD BLACK | SHOOTINGSTORE AUSTRIA (description in english) , .223
OA-10 DMR, 20" Heavy Barrel schwarz, OA TRH 13" rifle length, OA M4-Schaft, Kompensator, BUIS (no english, sadly.) .308

Edit: Forgot to mention local trainers dont offer any courses/training with .308 semi-autos, only .223 and AKs.

Edit 2: Another thing i forgot to mention was the purpose of the rifle. Home defense would likely be done with a handgun to avoid collateral damage. The rifle would more likely be used in a large-scale scenario, such as a wartime invasion or societal collapse. Sounds unlikely, but EU countries arent that far off things like that.

Apologies for the massive textwall, and thank you for your time.
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If it is for home defense or range time, either caliber will work. You can carry a lot more .223 than .308. Many states in the USA ban the .223 for hunting deer because of its low energy. It is good for smaller game. The .308 is great for larger game hunting if needed. I personally would choose the .308, but then I am a go big or stay home guy.
 

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As far as the .223 wylde goes, that chamber will allow for safe use in .223 and 5.56 ammunition. I’m the states at least, .223 is generally far more common, and much cheaper to stock up on. For what you are wanting to use it for, seams like that may be the better choice. Just my opinion.
 

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Im very late, but thank you all for the advice. I have decided on a 20ich Custom variant of the .223 Rifle, because in a scenario where it would need to be used, 30 round mags aren´t as uncommon anymore, and its generally lighter. Thank you again for your advice, and have a good day.
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Buy a Glock I heard they're very popular where you're going. At least that's what my old friend Gaston tells me.
 
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Yeah, i plan to get one of those as the handgun on that license. Kind of torn over wether or not to put a 10inch polygonal barrel on it and stick it in a RONI, but it is on the list.
And yes, that still counts as a hangun. Anything below ~23 inches (60cm) whole lenght (excluding folding/collapsing stocks as far as i can tell, they word it as shortest operable length) is legally a handgun. Sounds cool but rifle mags are still illegal over 10 rounds, so no ak pistol shenanigans, sadly.
 

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Wise choice sir. .223/5.56 is a very versatile caliber especially if you are able to hand-load your ammunition. Good luck.
 

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Wise choice sir. .223/5.56 is a very versatile caliber especially if you are able to hand-load your ammunition. Good luck.
Thank you kind sir! I do plan to load my own stuff, after some practice. Might become more expensive though, the EU is currently trying to ban lead from sporting rounds as well because of "environmental impact". with hunting shotguns in marshland it was understandable, but now its just an excuse to ban cheap range ammo.
 

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The freedom haters have tried banning lead here also but have not been very successful, thank goodness. We have been using steel shot during waterfowl seasons for many years, I didn’t get into hardcore duck & goose hunting till 2000.

Keep up the good fight against the globalist.
 
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The freedom haters have tried banning lead here also but have not been very successful, thank goodness. We have been using steel shot during waterfowl seasons for many years, I didn’t get into hardcore duck & goose hunting till 2000.

Keep up the good fight against the globalist.
Certainly will. I still hope that nothing happens in that regard and we can work this out peacefully, but that´s neither here nor there. we cant even use steel shot because its classified as "armor piercing". (yeah. hell, these dumbasses banned pump shotguns because they thought they were grenade launchers.) Its all copper alloy for us.
 

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It’s sad how our world is going downhill because of oppression by the puppet masters.
 
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There are bismuth shotshells? I didnt even know about that. They might be banned as well, because everything that´s harder than that copper alloy is "armor piercing" to them.
Bismuth is softer than both steel and copper it's also more dense and closer to lead than either metal.
 
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Found a new gun im taking into consideration. The Sabatti Tactical Evo in 300 WinMag. 1.5k Euro Pricetag, massive 28 inch barrel, semi-polygonal rifling. Austria has mountains, so anything that fleshes out the range advantage further is welcome. Does anyone have experience with Sabattis?
 
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