[cbeierholm]

Anyone who was a gun owning adult in the early 90's...

Curious, what was the rhetoric in the early 90's regarding the Assault Weapons Ban? I was born in 89, so I knew nothing about it. But I see what's being pushed through today and it terrifies me, feels like the country is already lost... Did people feel that way in 93-94?

I'm sort of looking for some hope, maybe that this is a revolving door that'll never pan out. Because if it's not, I don't know how we separate from the nations in history that have been through things like genocide, dictatorships, etc.

 

[Square target]

From what i remember the rhetoric was much the same. After the 94 crime bill passed murder and violent crime did drop. i would argue everyday and all day that it had nothing to do with the assault weapons ban part of the law and that it had everything to do with the stiffer/longer incarceration rates of violent criminals. This was the part of the bill that was talked about during our last election because sleepy joe helped write it and now those laws are considered "racist" because they "targeted black people". They in fact targeted violent offenders which mostly happened to be black people. The laws for cocaine and crack possession/selling were different for the two different drugs even though they are made from the same substance. The difference was crack made people more violent, was more addicting(both are very addicting and make people violent though) and more violent crime and gang activity was attributed to crack. Crack was more of a black thing while plain coke was more of a white thing but all types of people used both drugs. The assault weapons ban part of the bill did not ban the guns, it only banned new manufacture and importation of the guns. The guns were still readily available but at higher prices because there was a limited amount in the country....which still was millions of guns. When the ban was lifted companies literally went on a frenzy making new guns along with people buying them. there are literally a 100 or more companies producing whole guns, lowers, triggers, barrels and every other part for AR's and there are millions upon millions of them in civilian hands now. Want to know the big difference between now and the 90's? The murder rates are much lower now(last year and this year might change that though) Our lowest murder rate in the 90's was a 5.7 which was 1999 and we had 4 years where it exceeded a 9. Our highest murder rates since the 90's has been the same as the low during that time, a 5.7. we have been down as low as a 4.4 several years ago. Numbers arent out yet for last year and of course this year isnt over yet but with the unrest we have seen i would not be surprised if we hit the high 5's or a low 6. Even still it's been much lower in the past 20 years than it was the previous 20-30 years with many many more of the so called "assault weapons" out there...or as the liberals like to say, on the streets. Most people don't even realize our murder rates have dropped that much since the 90's and before because now we have so much more media coverage streaming news 24-7 and of course death sells so it always leads. They are trying to fix a problem the wrong way and that has already been on a decline. In my opinion democrats were complacent with the unrest we had driving the violent crime up so they can justify these new gun laws that of course in the end won;t fix the problem. What we need is stiffer, stronger and longer prison sentences for violent offenders, especially for the repeat offenders.

 

[Zhills]

"What we need is stiffer, stronger and longer prison sentences for violent offenders, especially for the repeat offenders."

Actually the DP for any murder that is proven without any doubt. It needs to be swift.

 

[Speed]

This is definitely not a time for gun owners to let their guard down but they don't have 60 votes to pass an assault weapons ban.

 

[Square target]

"What we need is stiffer, stronger and longer prison sentences for violent offenders, especially for the repeat offenders."

Actually the DP for any murder that is proven without any doubt. It needs to be swift.

100% agree! There is not one single case of a murder who has been put to death that has committed another murder or any other crime for that matter. There are however many cases of convicted murders getting out of prison and killing again along with many cases of murderers killing other inmates, CO's or civilian prison workers while serving time in prison. It is the ultimate deterrent.

 

[Square target]

This is definitely not a time for gun owners to let their guard down but they don't have 60 votes to pass an assault weapons ban.

Not something i would bet on nor would i bet there won't be some sort of executive order. yes it would be brought to court but how long would that take and is there any guarantee that it would be shot down? I have little or no faith in our government or courts upholding our constitution at the moment.

 

[gvaldeg1]

This is definitely not a time for gun owners to let their guard down but they don't have 60 votes to pass an assault weapons ban.

The filibuster must be maintained. We need Kyrsten Sinema's

This is definitely not a time for gun owners to let their guard down but they don't have 60 votes to pass an assault weapons ban.

The filibuster must be retained. We need Kyrsten Sinema's vote. Joe Manchin is a sellout!

 

[underdog]

the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act was signed into law on September 13, 1994. Supporters of the bill asserted that the legislation was both tough and smart.
It authorized billions of dollars for police, crime prevention, and prisons,
and it contained a ban on so- called "assault weapons,"
a Federal "three-strikes-and-you're- out" provision, and dozens of death penalty offenses.

Struggle for Effective Anti-Crime Legislation: An Analysis of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 | Office of Justice Programs

www.ojp.gov

However, when the average non-gun owning citizen hears "assault weapon," he hears "machine gun," even though the National Firearms Act (NFA) of 1934 already requires such firearms to be heavily taxed, highly regulated and registered with the federal government. Therefore, Bill Clinton truthfully did not ban assault rifles — FDR did.

Yet how many folks have you run into who assume you can just waltz into a gun store and buy an automatic rifle? They've been fed misleading information on this issue. And that's arguably the greatest victory ever scored by anti-gun groups: They've won public support by incorrectly branding semi-auto rifles as "assault weapons." With a little help from the mainstream media, of course.

The Real History of the Assault Weapons Ban

After months of presidential campaigning with little to no discussion on gun control, gun owners

www.gunsandammo.com

There are claims it formed from this event.

Mr. Ferri, dressed in a dark business suit and carrying his cases, entered the elevators at 101 California Street shortly before 3 P.M. At the 34th floor, "He shed his coat and prepared for battle," said Inspector Napoleon Hendrix.
His battle armaments were two 9-millimeter Intratec DC9 semi-automatic machine pistols, carried in shoulder straps and each loaded with 50-round magazines, a smaller .45-caliber semi-automatic handgun and hundreds of rounds of ammunition loaded into dozens of magazines carried in his innocent-looking lawyer cases.
Without speaking a word, Mr. Ferri opened fire on a glassed-in conference room

The Broker Who Killed 8: Gunman's Motives a Puzzle (Published 1993)

www.nytimes.com

 

[cbeierholm]

I guess a key difference between the bill from the 90s and now, would be the illegal "possession" instead of "purchasing/ manufacturing". Which baffles me. And I don't know of any front page killings involving guns completed from 80% lowers, but apparently that's another epidemic or something. Maybe there are behind the scenes issues that civilians aren't aware of...cartel and what not, but what law would stop that?

 

[cbeierholm]

Underdog, that's really good info, and videos I haven't seen. But I think you ruined my Easter.

 

[Square target]

If you don't want to watch the whole thing FF to the 3 min mark and this will reiterate what underdog said. I personally think they know exactly what the differences are between the guns(politicians and media) but they purposely try to make the public think these guns are full auto. In the story the other day with the shooter in CA the story specifically said "automatic pistol", the omission of the word semi i believe was purposely done. Also in this video they talk about how many people die from "gun violence" They always purposely add in suicides to make it seem violent crime/murder is higher. When you have to lie and screw around with numbers your argument is invalid. They have also lowered the criteria for what a mass shooting was. It used to be 4 people killed in one incident, now they mostly use 3 or more people shot which of course raises the number of mass shootings.

 

[cbeierholm]

Where did he get the idea that our right to bear arms revolves around deer hunting? He must have seen a ton of aggressive deer attacks to need his 24/7 security team.

To your point, if our society were just a little more educated on the subject, it may be a non-issue. Incorrect descriptions sculpt opinions and fear, but anyone with an understanding of firearms knows that the verbage is nothing more than political rhetoric. Maybe marksmanship courses in public schools could provide education, but that'll never happen.

 

[Square target]

Where did he get the idea that our right to bear arms revolves around deer hunting?

Just another way to sway the masses into thinking most people don't need guns or should only have certain types of guns. They won't be happy until they are banning the flint from your musket.

 

[Stamps6]

One of the best moves gun owners can make besides joining the NRA, GOA and others is to go and buy an AR. There are somewhere around 11 million in homes but can you see how much more difficult it is to ban them when there’s 25 - 50 million or more? When there’s that many and virtually non involved in crimes, it’s a tough case to make for banning.

 

[gvaldeg1]

One of the best moves gun owners can make besides joining the NRA, GOA and others is to go and buy an AR. There are somewhere around 11 million in homes but can you see how much more difficult it is to ban them when there’s 25 - 50 million or more? When there’s that many and virtually non involved in crimes, it’s a tough case to make for banning.

Amen!

 

[Philmo11]

One major player in the rise in murder rates in the early 90s was the rise of gangster rap in mainstream culture. It was popularized and accepted across all of America. I was in high school when this happened and I can tell you it was a major shift amongst young people at that time. The response to it with harsh and longer prison sentences was warranted.

 

[KILTED COWBOY]

As previously stated the '94 bill came with some still criminal penalties and a lot of money into law enforcement and prisons.
Now they want to have the ban and defund cops, let criminals out of prison and loosen up arrests and prosecution.
Deadly combo.

 

[friendof2nd]

This is definitely not a time for gun owners to let their guard down but they don't have 60 votes to pass an assault weapons ban.

But, if you take into consideration the amount of RINOs that we have in the Senate, and the amount of those same RINOs that would be willing to sell their souls in order to stay in the Senate, we could be running the risk of having the filibuster repealed, and/or for a ban to be enacted..

 

[drham]

From what i remember the rhetoric was much the same. After the 94 crime bill passed murder and violent crime did drop. i would argue everyday and all day that it had nothing to do with the assault weapons ban part of the law and that it had everything to do with the stiffer/longer incarceration rates of violent criminals. This was the part of the bill that was talked about during our last election because sleepy joe helped write it and now those laws are considered "racist" because they "targeted black people". They in fact targeted violent offenders which mostly happened to be black people. The laws for cocaine and crack possession/selling were different for the two different drugs even though they are made from the same substance. The difference was crack made people more violent, was more addicting(both are very addicting and make people violent though) and more violent crime and gang activity was attributed to crack. Crack was more of a black thing while plain coke was more of a white thing but all types of people used both drugs. The assault weapons ban part of the bill did not ban the guns, it only banned new manufacture and importation of the guns. The guns were still readily available but at higher prices because there was a limited amount in the country....which still was millions of guns. When the ban was lifted companies literally went on a frenzy making new guns along with people buying them. there are literally a 100 or more companies producing whole guns, lowers, triggers, barrels and every other part for AR's and there are millions upon millions of them in civilian hands now. Want to know the big difference between now and the 90's? The murder rates are much lower now(last year and this year might change that though) Our lowest murder rate in the 90's was a 5.7 which was 1999 and we had 4 years where it exceeded a 9. Our highest murder rates since the 90's has been the same as the low during that time, a 5.7. we have been down as low as a 4.4 several years ago. Numbers arent out yet for last year and of course this year isnt over yet but with the unrest we have seen i would not be surprised if we hit the high 5's or a low 6. Even still it's been much lower in the past 20 years than it was the previous 20-30 years with many many more of the so called "assault weapons" out there...or as the liberals like to say, on the streets. Most people don't even realize our murder rates have dropped that much since the 90's and before because now we have so much more media coverage streaming news 24-7 and of course death sells so it always leads. They are trying to fix a problem the wrong way and that has already been on a decline. In my opinion democrats were complacent with the unrest we had driving the violent crime up so they can justify these new gun laws that of course in the end won;t fix the problem. What we need is stiffer, stronger and longer prison sentences for violent offenders, especially for the repeat offenders.

no one seems to notice the biggest problem is the socialist/democrats.
when trump was in office yoy never heard of scgool shootings there were some "gon deaths" but as soon as dhe dems took over we started seeing a replay of the mass murders of the obama era.
sounds to me like they are trying to make excuses to outlaw our guns.

 

[Square target]

sounds to me like they are trying to make excuses to outlaw our guns.

They have been doing this for a long time. One of the key things they did during the obama years was change the criteria for mass shootings. it went from 4 or more killed to 3 or more shot. What do you think that did to the numbers of mass shootings? here is just this years list so far..Pay close attention to where many are and feel free to google them to see the local news stories. Then you'll know why most don't make national news. Even most of the last ones that did faded right out of the news once the facts came out.


List of mass shootings in the United States in 2021 - Wikipedia