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    Quote Originally Posted by big_dog_dover View Post
    The American public school system should conduct gun drills they way they conduct fire, tornado and earthquake drills.
    Have you WATCHED how these schools conduct these drills? Teachers and Administration are so busy taking attendance and dicking around, that if a disaster should happen,
    they're the ones who will be to blame for children getting hurt. These anal retentive nitwits are FAR more concerned with a perfect headcount, than
    the general safety of the masses of students they are trying to "save".

    There was an evacuation drill for a school near a Nuclear Power Station. TWO HOURS, loading kids on buses. If the reactor ever really breached, these kids eyes would be melting out of their sockets, from gamma radiation, while some moron teacher was counting heads. Here's an idea, get the kids ON THE BUS FAST! TAKE ATTENDANCE, while you're HAULING ASS UP THE ROAD, AWAY FROM THE MELTING CORE. HELLO!
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    Quote Originally Posted by square target2 View Post
    I might agree if there was something between the church shooter and the victims but there was nothing that i could see but empty space. How would hitting the deck make you less vulnerable?
    Hitting the deck would mean the gunman would have to take TIME to readjust his aim. He might pepper my back with a few pellets but I might have better chance to survive. Stalling the gunman for time, each and every second counts, buys more time for a good armed person in the church to possibly counter the gunman. The fallen two gentlemen in the church probably already knew there were designated men there armed for security. It's is rather awkward to get a good lethal aim on a person lying on the ground face down. It might also make sense to clutch your chest with your hand while on the ground to fake a heart attack whole groaning: this might baffle the gunman stalling his trigger finger for even more time.

    Why do possums play dead in nature when confronted by an enemy?

    It's too late to save those men who died in that church now but perhaps American civilians now need survival training for such circumstances since these shootings are so common these days.
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    There was no aiming, he fired from the hip at pretty much point blank range. How long would it have taken to drop the muzzle to the floor and fire? Pepper your back with a few pellets? Point blank range with a 12 gauge would have done the same to his back as it did the front, killed him. Again i would agree with you if there was something between them other than 4 feet or air. The mistakes were made prior to him drawing the shotgun. They knew something was up with this guy and probably should have confronted him before he he drew his shotgun being he was acting strange and had a dollar store disguise on. Many people who are religious and attend church tend to be more trusting and give the benefit of doubt to people which is probably why they didn't. After he drew his shotgun i don't think there was much more that could have been done other than what they did.

    Oh and possums don't play dead. They will generally run away or hiss and bare their teeth when corned and even fight back. They usually will "play dead" when surprised but it's actually them being so frightened they go into a catatonic state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_dog_dover View Post
    My position is obvious. I see a shotgun come out of a coat in church, I hit the ground like there's no tomorrow perhaps shouting GUN! at the same time. A gun's coming out from hiding on one's person in church all the sudden is a pretty abnormal circumstance, don't you think? Mr. McGraw, have you thought what you might have done in that scenario if you were standing where that black man in the suit was standing near the gunman? I thought about what I would do: drop down, flat, like last week. Maybe the poor black man in the suit who was gunned down was blind.

    What law-abiding person would hide a shotgun under his coat anyway?

    My thread here is to educate people how to survive.
    No need in trying to be sarcastically cute with "Mr. McGraw". No, your post position was not obvious clear. Besides its someone's Right to carry a shotgun under their cloths and if a law abiding person feels like he should carry one like that for self defense, then its his right. I miss the point on "Maybe the poor black man in the suit who was gunnned down was blind". Now if they start shooting at random people that's a different issue. Yet you want to drop on the ground and lay flat when someone pulls a shotgun out in close proximity looking to shoot you. Ok, to each his own.
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    The possum that played dead with my dog got crunched to death the second he laid down!
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    Quote Originally Posted by square target2 View Post
    I might agree if there was something between the church shooter and the victims but there was nothing that i could see but empty space. How would hitting the deck make you less vulnerable?
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    Quote Originally Posted by big_dog_dover View Post
    What should your first reaction be whenever you spot someone with a weapon in public?
    Unless they are acting strange, you shouldn't think anything about it. It's a free country and bearing arms is a Constitutionally protected, God-given right.
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    I would have more suspicion of a person that is over dressed in our weather. What are they hiding, how are they acting what are their surroundings. These are my questions, here it is not strange to see a holstered pistol. As for church members we view our church as an extension of our home. Should they have reacted different, that depends on your training or lack of training and your state of mind at that point in time. At our church we have our security team and system in place.

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    EVRYONE is sounding paranoid.must be the corona virus effecting our thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drham View Post
    EVRYONE is sounding paranoid.must be the corona virus effecting our thinking.
    I, too, sensed some paranoia too.
    Around here not unusual for people to conceal carry or open carry.
    When I notice, My habit is to do a quick assessment - No threat, go about my business.

    So far only second take I've done was a guy, I didn't know,
    open carrying a nice 1911 with these beautiful stag grips!
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