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    Quote Originally Posted by Walkingwolf View Post
    What country are you in? Maybe you should just consider a large aggressive dog.
    This is the important part, I'm not in the US. And I really like the idea of a warning shot, not because I have good feelings towards criminals but because here their pals can execute you while being in prison or in the hospital, and police could not care less. Somehow it's easier and safer to jail taxpayers for whatever they can think of, but criminals are hard to catch and convict.

    I don't like dogs and once read a study claiming that dogs are not as effective as one could think, but I have alarms instead. According to what I have heard around, dogs get poisoned until burglars manage to get into the house or the homeowner stops buying new dogs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by orion View Post
    This is the important part, I'm not in the US. And I really like the idea of a warning shot, not because I have good feelings towards criminals but because here their pals can execute you while being in prison or in the hospital, and police could not care less. Somehow it's easier and safer to jail taxpayers for whatever they can think of, but criminals are hard to catch and convict.

    I don't like dogs and once read a study claiming that dogs are not as effective as one could think, but I have alarms instead. According to what I have heard around, dogs get poisoned until burglars manage to get into the house or the homeowner stops buying new dogs.
    Asking for advice from people not in your own country is not going to give you the advice you need. You should be seeking advice from legal experts in your own country, not the US. As far as dogs they have worked for us, even though neighbors have suffered break ins we have not. The closest was a burglar who was trapped in a tool shed AFTER he suffered a bite by one of our large dogs. We have never had anyone enter our property that was not invited since. You would have to have some pretty valuable property for a home invader to go through all that trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walkingwolf View Post
    Asking for advice from people not in your own country is not going to give you the advice you need. You should be seeking advice from legal experts in your own country, not the US.
    I fully agree, that's why I paid a local lawyer for advice. He was not the cheapest I could find but even so I did not like so much his advice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Walkingwolf View Post
    As far as dogs they have worked for us, even though neighbors have suffered break ins we have not. The closest was a burglar who was trapped in a tool shed AFTER he suffered a bite by one of our large dogs. We have never had anyone enter our property that was not invited since. You would have to have some pretty valuable property for a home invader to go through all that trouble.
    My sister has two scary dogs in her house and she lives in a not so good neighbourhood as mine, maybe in time with her experience I might change my mind. Or even better, change of country.
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    Real life, not armchair supposing.

    On January 21 of this year two gentlemen in their late 20s to early 30s broke into my house for nefarious purposes. My dog and I were home. I'm 73 and my dog is 10. Without thinking or remembering there was a revolver within my reach, I did as I've been trained and attacked. Things weren't going my way until Shadow (my dog) joined the fray. When the sheriffs arrived both were handcuffed and waiting. Shadow and I were pretty tore up (I went to the ER, he went to the doggie ER and were kept there for a day) but the invaders were in much worse shape than we.

    Ya see? Back when I was crazy I was a 'bar fighter'. Facing an armed (with whatever) combatant doesn't bother me. When forced, I fight like my life depends on winning... no holds barred, anything goes, win at all costs. Its the mindset that counts. Most today don't have that mindset.

    This goes to show we can sit and chew the fat about what to do and how to do it all day long, but if you will always revert to training when the feces hits the rotating blades. You don't know what you'll do if you aren't trained. Some freeze, some cower, some defecate themselves and a very few act appropriately.

    If you aren't trained, get trained and keep your training up to date. Realistic self training works. Get in shape and stay that way, (I'm out of shape and it cost me.) The lawyers will come in after the fact and nitpick. That's what they do. But YOU'RE ALIVE. That's what its all about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevejet View Post
    Nothing like bringing a choreographed "plan" to a gun & knife fight.
    You watch too much TV. Somebody really good with a knife will kill you before you know it. It's not at all like you see in the movies, where a guy waves a knife
    out in front of him.

    Get a dog. If the dog doesn't like somebody, don't even open the door. Be careful, whom you invite into your home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Popeye View Post
    On January 21 of this year two gentlemen in their late 20s to early 30s broke into my house for nefarious purposes. My dog and I were home. I'm 73 and my dog is 10. Without thinking or remembering there was a revolver within my reach, I did as I've been trained and attacked. Things weren't going my way until Shadow (my dog) joined the fray. When the sheriffs arrived both were handcuffed and waiting. Shadow and I were pretty tore up (I went to the ER, he went to the doggie ER and were kept there for a day) but the invaders were in much worse shape than we.
    Thanks for sharing, I find a second-hand experience valuable. Hope by now you're fine and totally recovered, as well as your dog. I like the part where invaders got the worst part.

    Quote Originally Posted by Popeye View Post
    Ya see? Back when I was crazy I was a 'bar fighter'. Facing an armed (with whatever) combatant doesn't bother me. When forced, I fight like my life depends on winning... no holds barred, anything goes, win at all costs. Its the mindset that counts. Most today don't have that mindset.
    I can understand. I'm in my forties and I can count the times I have fought with the fingers of one hand; when I was young I avoided fighting at any cost, and now that I'm adult people around me are afraid of fighting and I live in a safe enough environment so I do not have to.

    Quote Originally Posted by Popeye View Post
    This goes to show we can sit and chew the fat about what to do and how to do it all day long, but if you will always revert to training when the feces hits the rotating blades. You don't know what you'll do if you aren't trained. Some freeze, some cower, some defecate themselves and a very few act appropriately.
    Hope I'll do the correct thing. I have been training inside my home with a CO2 pistol, and I'm training as if I had to pass the FBI Shooting Qualification test:

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    This is the target of today's practice. I have no easy and cheap way to get QIT-99 targets so I use a couple of letter sheets:

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    I'm still far since I practice with a .22LR gun, starting with the gun down instead of holstered, but hope that by the end of the year I'll be proficient enough. I practised unholstering and shooting like 500 times with my CO2 gun and now I'm in the middle with my blanks gun, after another 500 times I'll do the same with my .22LR and finally I'll do it with my .380 ACP. At the end I'll combine both trainings to do it as expected.

    Quote Originally Posted by Popeye View Post
    If you aren't trained, get trained and keep your training up to date. Realistic self training works. Get in shape and stay that way, (I'm out of shape and it cost me.) The lawyers will come in after the fact and nitpick. That's what they do. But YOU'RE ALIVE. That's what its all about.
    I'm all about realistic training, I have seen people "training" blowing up balloons and bottles but do not consider that proper training. The offered training here is scarce, expensive, and so far I do not like it, it seems to me that trainers try to teach their experience with no theory backing it at best, and at worst it's only a tacticool exercise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ D View Post
    You watch too much TV. Somebody really good with a knife will kill you before you know it. It's not at all like you see in the movies, where a guy waves a knife
    out in front of him.

    Get a dog. If the dog doesn't like somebody, don't even open the door. Be careful, whom you invite into your home.
    I have read somewhere that one stab is double as lethal as one bullet, even big caliber ones, and comparing a knife's blade with a projectile it becomes crystal clear why, that's why I'm afraid of druggies with knifes.

    I really do not like dogs and have no way to take proper care of one, but I appreciate the advice I get here. At the beginning I never considered owning a shotgun, now after the advice received here I'm willing to buy one and train with it, but still not ready to use one due to local laws.
    Best regards,
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