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    Thanks Square!
    So my primadonnna Is going to come out a bit. I apologize. I don’t buy used guns. (And I don’t sell guns) I am admittedly not versed enough to know what to look out for as well as extremely skeptical of buying someone else’s headache or something that was bubba’d by the ole kitchen table gunsmith so I always err on the side of caution and purchase new.
    I’m also extremely frugal (not cheap) I don’t mind spending the money I will just search high and low for the best deal and this comes with the sacrifice of not having any relationships with any of the LGS’s.
    So I feel bad wasting their time looking at guns that I know I am not going to buy from them. As mentioned earlier I can almost always beat a LGS or brick and mortar’s price by a significant margin.

    I was looking at Miroku last night. From what I’ve read this is who makes Browning in Japan. The Citori is apparently made by Miroku for Browning. I also peeked at a few Caesar Geurini’s. I also held a Benelli 828U today and didn’t like it. It felt too light.

    I dont have my choke out on this and I’m in no rush. Fitasc’s advice of gun hopping at the club sounds good.
    Again, a huge thanks to everyone that has offered some guidance so far. I’m always listening. Thanks
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    I have never even heard of Caesar Geurini’s before. Just did a quick search and they look like fancy guns! Just seen a few prices in the 6-9k range so I'm guessing you were just looking.
    I didn't even know Benelli made O/U either but they are well known for making great semi's that hold up real well. I know several people that hunt with them and will never switch back to another. Did a quick search and seen two models one of which is at the top of your budget.
    Krieghoff is another i see a lot of people use but they are pricey as well. Don't know if they make anything under 5k or not
    SKB is one i forgot about and have a little insight on. My uncle who just went out of business last year was a SKB dealer. His daughter, her husband and their daughter along with some others at the club all shoot with them. Nice guns BUT they are finicky and prone to certain parts breaking. My cousins husband started his own shop and bought my uncles stock so he's selling them now and is getting into gunsmithing so fixing them as well. Even before that he learned how to tear down, fix and even make parts for the SKB and keeps a kit in his vehicle with common parts and tools when they go shooting so he can fix on the go. When i was getting back into it he wouldn't sell me one because he didn't want me to get discouraged and get back out of it if i had a problem gun. They've had to send a few back too. Last year their daughters gun had the rib coming lose so that went back. I'm not sure if it's just certain models or not but when they are working right they are nice guns. They also shoot a lot, maybe 2-3 times a week and around 400 rounds each a week for maybe 45 weeks of the year. Only time they don't is when the weather is real bad.

    If you're not dead set on a O/U and will only be shooting trap with no doubles there is the Browning BT-99 too.

    Miroku makes nice stuff from what i hear but lots of people like the older stuff not made in Japan or Turkey. I guess you might call them Belgium or Italian snobs?

    Another thing to think about. Like someone else said get one that fits good but even when you do that you may think about adding an adjustable comb and butt pad to the stock so you can fine tune. I have the comb on mine, you can move it up and down plus left and right. The pads you can move in and out plus up and down and i want to add one to mine at some point. It's not a cheap add on but it's not break the bank pricing either.


    Oh and i get that not buying used guns. I know lots of people like that too.
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    Leaning pretty hard towards the Browning. My question now is adjustable comb or no adjustable comb?
    I have read a few things online that Browning’s adjustable stocks are less than stellar. I don’t know that I need an adjustable comb but I’m a “rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it” type of person.
    Way I see it...if I don’t need it. I simply leave the comb alone fully down and centered but I will always have the option of adjusting. With a non adjustable stock I have no options. The stock is what it is.

    Now if the Browning adjustable stocks are just junk then that’s another story.
    I’m also hesitant to take a $2500 gun to someone and have them add an adjustable comb. Would just rather buy the stock that way.
    Ugh....I give myself analysis paralysis sometimes.
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    I have no idea if the combs that come on Browning's are any good or not, never heard either way. I do know that many of the guys i have shot with send their stocks out to have this done. I will be traveling there next weekend and can ask about the Browning's and where they send the stocks to. I bet it could be nerve racking spending a bunch on a gun only to send the stock to someone who is going to cut it up with a bandsaw, drill a bunch of holes, add some parts and hopefully get it back together right. Hopefully that didn't make you even more nervous, lol

    Both of my guns fit me ok but i noticed when i move the comb to the right it fits just a little better and my face just falls right into position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by square target2 View Post
    I have never even heard of Caesar Geurini’s before. Just did a quick search and they look like fancy guns! Just seen a few prices in the 6-9k range so I'm guessing you were just looking.
    I didn't even know Benelli made O/U either but they are well known for making great semi's that hold up real well. I know several people that hunt with them and will never switch back to another. Did a quick search and seen two models one of which is at the top of your budget.
    Krieghoff is another i see a lot of people use but they are pricey as well. Don't know if they make anything under 5k or not
    SKB is one i forgot about and have a little insight on. My uncle who just went out of business last year was a SKB dealer. His daughter, her husband and their daughter along with some others at the club all shoot with them. Nice guns BUT they are finicky and prone to certain parts breaking. My cousins husband started his own shop and bought my uncles stock so he's selling them now and is getting into gunsmithing so fixing them as well. Even before that he learned how to tear down, fix and even make parts for the SKB and keeps a kit in his vehicle with common parts and tools when they go shooting so he can fix on the go. When i was getting back into it he wouldn't sell me one because he didn't want me to get discouraged and get back out of it if i had a problem gun. They've had to send a few back too. Last year their daughters gun had the rib coming lose so that went back. I'm not sure if it's just certain models or not but when they are working right they are nice guns. They also shoot a lot, maybe 2-3 times a week and around 400 rounds each a week for maybe 45 weeks of the year. Only time they don't is when the weather is real bad.

    If you're not dead set on a O/U and will only be shooting trap with no doubles there is the Browning BT-99 too.

    Miroku makes nice stuff from what i hear but lots of people like the older stuff not made in Japan or Turkey. I guess you might call them Belgium or Italian snobs?

    Another thing to think about. Like someone else said get one that fits good but even when you do that you may think about adding an adjustable comb and butt pad to the stock so you can fine tune. I have the comb on mine, you can move it up and down plus left and right. The pads you can move in and out plus up and down and i want to add one to mine at some point. It's not a cheap add on but it's not break the bank pricing either.


    Oh and i get that not buying used guns. I know lots of people like that too.
    CGs are rated the same as Beretta 68X and Browning series - decent guns, but at their price point, there are better guns
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    I was looking at Miroku last night. From what I’ve read this is who makes Browning in Japan. The Citori is apparently made by Miroku for Browning.
    Correct, and Mirokus in Europe are a lot less expensive than their Browning cousins
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    Picked up a Brand new (2019 serial number) Browning Citori 725 12ga 32" with adj. comb on Gun broker for $2499 from a "top 25" seller.
    The wood is beautiful. I verified with seller that the gun pictured is the actual gun that will ship.
    Cheapest I could find a 32" for elsewhere was around $2900 and 30" for $2700 so I dont think I did too bad.
    Thank you for the help and guidance!
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    Most excellent! Post pics when you get it.
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    Krieghoff is another i see a lot of people use but they are pricey as well. Don't know if they make anything under 5k or not
    I'm not sure you could get a set of barrels for under 5K, let alone a complete gun.....
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