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    Default Remington ACR vs Robinson Arms XCR

    Hey guys, this is a tough one. This is also my first day on the forums, so easy on the flaming. I need you guys to settle an argument I've been having with myself. I can't decide which rifle is the best: the Remington ACR or the Robinson Arms XCR. They are extremely similar, and are in my opinion the best rifles ever made (debatable, I'm sure). They can outperform any other guns on the market, in any category, as far as I know. But which one is BETTER???

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    Lookie here!

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    Wednesday, February 3rd, 2010

    On 14 January, 2010 RDMI (Robinsom Arms) filed [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] against Remington, Bushmaster, Rock River Arms, and Magpul Industries based on alleged infringement of their patent.

    Below is the actual suit taken from court records.

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    This is the third patent related suit filed against Magpul this year. The initial suit came from A.R.M.S. over their dual aperture rear sight followed by [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] alleging violation of their patent on the Modular Firearm Buttstock.

    Reading through the filing I find one thing a bit odd. It claims that the ACR has been offered for sale, which still has not happened, particularly in the state of Utah. Based on this it seems to me that the case was brought a bit prematurely and was staged to have the most dramatic effect during SHOT Show unless it was intended to delay the release of the ACR into the market. But then why include RRA?



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    Friday, January 15th, 2010

    [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], manufacturers of the XCR have filed suit yesterday in US District Court for Utah against Remington, Bushmaster, Rock River Arms, and Magpul Industries based on alleged infringement of their patent [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] issued 6 October, 2009 and initially filed in August of 2003.

    Specifically, the weapons alleged to have violated Robinson’s patent are the [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], Magpul Masada/Massoud, and the [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]. All of these weapons feature a magazine release that is manipulated by the trigger finger from within reach of the trigger guard as well as a similar bolt hold open device. We have read the complaint and it is fairly ambiguous as the which patent claims they allege were violated.

    Both Bushmaster and Remington are part of the Freedom group, owned by Cerberus Capital Management. So for taking on Freedom Group I give them an “E” for Effort. Of note is the timing of the suit, just days before SHOT Show as well as Robinson’s announcement on their website that they would be exhibiting after all in a booth (#20034) shared with Serbu.
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    wow, i read what i understand from the infringement link, so let me try to get this straight (i'm only 16): just because Remington makes a gun that is ambidextrous and is multicaliber means it's a copyright infringement??? thats dumb!

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    Its because Robinson Arms believes the Remington, and the others, used Robinson's patent without payment. Now its up to the courts.
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    There actually was one ACR for sale on GunBroker, so perhaps that's enough for Robinson to say that it has been "offered for sale".
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