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    I appreciate what you're driving at, but a pure sense of civic duty, patriotism and charity of labor are just not going to be realized without some incentive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan R McDaniel Jr View Post
    We have career politicians who are quite happy to take our $180k each for life. Okay pay them an Army recruit's pay for a two term limit and then back to real life. No pension fund. SS Same as the rest of us.

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    The folks we've got in office now are in it for themselves and not the future of our country. Top CEOs are paid millions/year, Hell, even football players are paid millions per year, if they produce growth and the desired results.

    The system we have now, it's obvious to me, is not working. Two political parties hammering away at each other for the sake of hearing hammering and to Hell with what ever good could be being done. I think we've hashed and rehashed that the Republicans are really no better than the DemocRats in that regard. Whatever third parties exist are just pissin in the wind in so far as viability is concerned.

    I know there are people out there who would give of their own time and support themselves while doing so, to put in 4 or 8 years to help run the country. There's some 535 opportunities do do so. Run through just those you can think of offhand and see if you can think of anyone in the private sector who is smarter than the are and who would do a better job……..

    Are there any of those who would jump at the opportunity to do the job, … for free?

    You take away the pay and the perks and the lifetime pension even if you lose the next election and you'll see the do nothings in Congress leaving in droves.

    "in 1946, that Congress would be covered under the CSRS with the passage of P.L. 79-601. The justification this time was that a pension would "bring into the legislative service a larger number of younger members with fresh energy and new viewpoints" by encouraging older Members to retire."

    Uh hunh… right. They stay until they can't walk, talk or form a sentence.

    "As of November 2014, senior Members of Congress who have been in office for at least 32 years can earn about $139,000 a year."

    Career politicians who don't pay for their offices, staff, transportation expenses, and whose main objective is getting re-elected for 32 years, can pull down what most of us would have to agree is a pretty good salary for not working.

    Nancy Pelosi could just stay home and do whatever people in SF do for entertainment and still get re-elected over and over again. But why, she can make oodles of bucks staying in the game FOREVER! Plus have a hefty expense account and an entourage of underlings to order around while she flies around the country in a shiny airplane.

    Or, we could have a draft! The top 10% of the graduating class of every University in the country gets put in a hat. They owe two years. They can stay 8, but they owe two. College debt waived. Everyone else owes two years as well. Military or some aspect of government service. You want to immigrate? Two years, after your application for citizenship is approved.

    If the DemocRats really wanted to help the country they'd quit with the BS each and every day that just boggs down the system of putting this country on it's feet again. If the Republicans really wanted to help this country they'd have both houses of Congress passing bills night and day that will help business create jobs and make our nation strong again. But, what is going on? Well, the circus continues with a new ringmaster, and oh what a ring-a-ling he is. There is so much that he could be haranguing the DemocRats for but he chooses to drivel out this wiretapping BS. Even if it's ALL true, he should have let the proper channels handle it.

    Something has to change or our kids and grandkids are going to inherit an increasingly bigger and bigger mess. Term limits, no pension, and reduced or no pay would suit me for now. They've only had pensions for 70 of 240 years.

    I get a pension. I worked for it. It was not an elected position and my neck was on the chopping block every day. I had to produce results. I had to show and document growth. Despite what many of y'all think about educators I know that it is solid work. I was there at or before 7:00 Am and got home after 10:00 PM most nights. Some weekends as well. I figured my hourly wage one time and it just made me feel terrible. Mine is not $139,000.00 by a long shot.

    Something has to change, and change big. We all know what our last president did to our national debt. We simply cannot afford any more of that.

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    As I said before; we, as a nation, get the government we deserve/earn.

    Nothing substantial will change until a majority of US voters are directly and negatively affected by the results of actions by the scoundrels they elect and reelect.
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    An extremely small majority (or some would have us believe, less than that) were negatively affected and they elected Donald Trump and gave him two houses of Congress and a Supreme Court nominee (possibly two). For God's sake I wish they'd quit with the crybaby stuff and get on with it.

    Yes, there are some things getting done (undone) but I want to see the Conservative majority of Congress ride roughshod for a while.

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    A Midwest radio station talk show host who was there for about 30 years and had become the "favorite fixture" wherever the broadcast reached, retired about 3 years ago. On his last broadcast he read a piece he had prepared in which he listed about 30 different programs of failures or that were still vexing and angering citizens. His conclusion was that of all the things that were agreed upon nationally by the common people, 85% of the nations internal problems were caused directly by congress in Washington D.C.

    I read this in a newspaper column and after reviewing his list I had to agree on the specific gripes and percentage figure the gentleman had arrived at.

    If you read our American history, you realize the "congress" we had during the Revolutionary War did as much to hinder and threaten our armies and colonies and the cause as did the British armed forces. The stinkin' politco's when presented with urgent requests for food, blankets and other supplies for the surviving remnants of Washington's army at Valley Forge, couldn't decide from where to get those items or who should get the contract to deliver them.

    Congress has been the largest impediment to our national progress and welfare for almost 250 years. As a fellow remarked today on FOX News Sunday, we have arrived at a point where the people do not trust the President, DEMOCRATS, Republicans, department heads, Federal bureaucrats or the news media.

    Ain't this just swell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan R McDaniel Jr View Post

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    Only smart, successful, intelligent, honest, ethical people need apply who are called to serve.
    Those people are called statesmen. We only have politicians. Self serving rather than serving their constituents.

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    we no longer have an engaged, smart, successful, intelligent, honest, ethical, etc. electorate in this country. That's the problem and its a difficult problem to solve.

    As a nation, we really do get the government we deserve/earn.
    Yup. It's a fact.

    40 years ago, my grandmother prophesied that one day, half the country would vote to have the other half pay for its welfare. I think we're just about there.

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    "The problem is; we no longer have an engaged, smart, successful, intelligent, honest, ethical, etc. electorate in this country. That's the problem and its a difficult problem to solve."

    If someone meets the above qualifications most likely this individual would not be open to the harassment, insults, lacks of privacy, etc. that people running for office are exposed to. Why anyone in his right mind will be willing to receive the abuse by the media, other politicians, and the voters from the other party in order to serve the country?

    That is why we have the politicians who now runs this country, people who could not give a dam about the country and their only interest is getting the 180K salary and getting elected and elected again to continuing receiving this salary. This people are willing to accept the abuse because they really do not care.

    We need people like Trump, who could not care less what people say about him, he is in there to do do (I hope) what the country needs and any one else go to hell.
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    I've come to feel in the past 20 years that no sane and successful person of actual capabilities and competence would voluntarily jump into that sewer of Washington D.C. in efforts to correct what is incurable. That's why it takes people of tremendous ego, with few prospects in the private sector to decide to become a Career Politician. Pure selfishness at its core, even if they won't admit it.

    "Nothing substantial will change until a majority of US voters are directly and negatively affected by the results of actions by the scoundrels they elect and reelect."

    Look no further than Kalifornia. Only when they can no longer "afford" to live here and realize how their "freedoms of choices" have been eliminated will these idiot Liberals/Progressives of middle and lower class status begin to re-evaluate the stupid election choices they have made. "Suffering" provides amazing leverage for conversion of opinions and thoughts.
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