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    I have been pondering this for a while. It seems as though there is a lot of differing opinion on the issue in the Republican and Libertarian party, not so much in the democrat’s party though(but is there ever?)...


    It concerns the over-militarization of the police, and how it is beginning to look like the beginnings of the police state. I find that I often agree with both sides of this issue. The libertarians will often say that “The police being over militarized can be the start of a totalitarian state.” A statement I am in complete agreement with, however I also think that the police should have access to everything they need to combat terror and mitigate situations with as little civilian causalities needed, and as little red tape needed. The flip side is the police gaining enough power to feel as though they are above the law, more so than they do now.


    Whatever position you take on this, I think that we can all agree that the first step is to encourage more Americans to arm and train themselves so we can have more good guys out there ready to deal with any situations that arise.



    Really, this thread is mostly a brain dump, however it is also to ask you guys what you’re thoughts are on the matter, and if you think that there is reason to worry, or if this is just another fear mongering mission from the left?
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    The only way to decide if police are over- or under-militarized is whether they're doing things you like.

    Police in 'sanctuary cities' should be de-militarized because civilian leaders have decided to turn away from the rule of law. Police would then only be tasked to count the dead bodies, and otherwise not get killed while trying to civilize the barbaric.

    But that's just me. Maybe Trump supporters might need a military response, but that's a figment.
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    Hmmm. The 60+ Police Officers killed in action this year weren't 'Over-Militarized'.
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    Police are civilians, as they should be.

    Police are asked to do things today that no policemen before have been asked to do. The situation in Dallas is one example. To go up against a Military trained gunman, wearing body armor, and shooting a semi automatic rifle, armed only with a department issued sidearm with department issued ammo. We all saw the outcome of many of those engagements.

    They should have the tools they need to combat that type of threat. But, they should not use those same tools in every situation.

    If there comes a time when engaging those types of threats is commonplace, then, indeed the military should be deployed on our own soil. IF those things become commonplace then our politicians and leaders will have failed miserably in keeping that type of threat out of the country. Drastic measures will have to be implemented to purge that threat from our midst.

    In addition the citizenry need to be armed and prepared to defend themselves and their communities. This is probably the most key factor in demilitarizing the police. If the police can count on the citizenry to be the first line of defense in a community then militarization is not necessary and not an issue. If we are going to run, hide, and cower as we wait for the police to show up and save us, then it's probably better that they are militarized.

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    These nuts that walk up and shoot policemen and policewomen in their patrol cars do not allow for a militarization of police departments to take place. The idea that the police have the option of shooting someone that they think might be a threat even if they are not a threat is not cause for militarization. Shooting grandfathers in their garages because you THINK they might mistake you for a prowler rummaging around in the dark in their back yards is not acceptable.

    Several years ago there are those of us that could see this pro blame coming. Police were shooting first and killed a lot of innocent people who were not a real threat to them. The result is what we see now. That attitude gave rise to BLM, and I will wager the rash of police shootings that claimed the lives of a lot of officers who were indeed "just doing their hard, thankless jobs".

    None of us have the option of being the only person armed in any situation. We don't get to disarm and handcuff everyone around us because we fear for our safety. We have to live and work with people who are armed around us all the time, and in most instances we do not know them or know that they are armed.

    60 hours of police academy does not make a good policeman. Neither does a PhD in Criminology. I have known Lawmen who were in command of a situation by their presence. I have known others who couldn't keep control of a situation that they created. There are those who are the authority and those who rely on the badge to make their authority credible.

    Most of the people who come in contact with police every day are NOT criminals. Yet, I have noticed increasingly that everyone is treated as potential criminals. Maybe that is just my perception, but, it is my perception.

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    The police wouldn't need to be militarized if the court system did what it is suppose to do. IF the court system imposed proper sentences for criminal acts. Stopped plea bargaining with criminals. Didn't turn prisons into country clubs and worried more about the rights of the victims, perhaps people would think twice before committing a criminal act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan R McDaniel Jr View Post
    These nuts that walk up and shoot policemen and policewomen in their patrol cars do not allow for a militarization of police departments to take place. The idea that the police have the option of shooting someone that they think might be a threat even if they are not a threat is not cause for militarization. Shooting grandfathers in their garages because you THINK they might mistake you for a prowler rummaging around in the dark in their back yards is not acceptable.

    Several years ago there are those of us that could see this pro blame coming. Police were shooting first and killed a lot of innocent people who were not a real threat to them. The result is what we see now. That attitude gave rise to BLM, and I will wager the rash of police shootings that claimed the lives of a lot of officers who were indeed "just doing their hard, thankless jobs".

    None of us have the option of being the only person armed in any situation. We don't get to disarm and handcuff everyone around us because we fear for our safety. We have to live and work with people who are armed around us all the time, and in most instances we do not know them or know that they are armed.

    60 hours of police academy does not make a good policeman. Neither does a PhD in Criminology. I have known Lawmen who were in command of a situation by their presence. I have known others who couldn't keep control of a situation that they created. There are those who are the authority and those who rely on the badge to make their authority credible.

    Most of the people who come in contact with police every day are NOT criminals. Yet, I have noticed increasingly that everyone is treated as potential criminals. Maybe that is just my perception, but, it is my perception.

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    My point exactly. I want our men and women in uniform to get home at night and see their kids, however I don't want to be treated like a criminal by default. It seems as though the media has made the polices jobs harder, for both the thoughts that the police have while out on the street and the perceptions of the police in the eyes of civilians. We are being pitted against each other.

    People always say how they fear for their lives at traffic stops, newsflash, the police do more than you because NBC constantly shows replays of the dash footage where a cop gets two to the chest for a routine traffic stop.

    As you can see, this is where the conflict begins; I don't want the police to treat all of us like criminals, yet I want them to make it home safely. It is quite a quagmire when thinking about it...
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    has anyone noticed that the alarm about militarization of police seems to only be from the the law abiding community? The very people that probably want a police response and the ones who will call 911?

    the other parts of the community..........the liberals, the black panthers, the muslims, and especially believe it or not the "black lives matter" crowd are not concerned about leo militarization. They have already witnessed the examples of unchecked riots, burning blocks, innocent poeple beaten, etc, etc and all they see is MRAPS, full battle gear officers, and the latest and greatest of high tech equipment sitting on side streets.....blocks from the action.......because they know the LEO admin and the city/county/university admin will DO NOTHING.

    just a dog and pony show. The republicans and democrats probably love the militarization of the police just to create the illusion that the State is always in control and ready to take action.....and at the same time the State showing great restraint to not trample on the rights of the aggrieved parties........

    ....they are all for the show of force......but it is nothing but a dog and pony show........at least at this point in time......

    the rule of the mob would seem to have over-ridden the rule of law............
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    A lot of the armored vehicles are because the Feds are offering them-and the local jurisdictions never learn-ALL "gifts" have strings attached.

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    true....the feds have ben giving away surplus vehicles.............but in the news with just about every major incident, i have sure seen some speciality vehicles complete with water cannon or gun mounts and other vehicles that i can only describe as modernized Brinks armored vehicles converted into command centers or transports.

    very nice.........top of the line.....and rather very expensive looking. Not saying they don't need it or that such is or is not justified....but someone is sure as heck spending a heck of a lot of money on something that might only see fifty miles added to the odometer a year......excluding training.........



    then again.....i am from a small rural dept.....i know nothing of large urban needs. So they probably have a better idea of what they need than i do.............

    and if i was under the gun i sure as heck would not mind seeing one coming to the rescue...
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