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    LOL, in case you missed it are you aware you're a "democrat operative"?
    I saw that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Popeye View Post
    I saw that.
    LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I saw that and almost died laughing!!!! Some of the most ironic stuff I've ever read on the internet is right here on this site.

    Political chat is easily heated, I'm really proud of everyone here for keeping the discussion as civil as it has been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rdc0311 View Post
    LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I saw that and almost died laughing!!!! Some of the most ironic stuff I've ever read on the internet is right here on this site.

    Political chat is easily heated, I'm really proud of everyone here for keeping the discussion as civil as it has been.
    gun owners............they tend to be independent, self-reliant. strong in personal beliefs and not willing to back down.......and folks are surprised that there are different opinions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by deputy View Post
    gun owners............they tend to be independent, self-reliant. strong in personal beliefs and not willing to back down.......and folks are surprised that there are different opinions?
    NGF would be a very boring place if it was an echo chamber of opinions. There is a lot to be said for the amount of civil discussion here with the array of viewpoints. There are many members here I really like and several I have a certain amount of respect for. I truly hope nothing is taking personal when opposing views are expressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Popeye View Post
    Siplace goes to great lengths and many words attempting to justify Trump's crony socialist beliefs and actions.

    Neither can refute the facts.
    Ummm I think I did. He is not in favor of a single payer health care system as you claim. He is in favor of HSAs.

    If you have a better idea we would all love to hear it.
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    Trump is one man. He has received over 10 Million votes with 7 states yet to report. Trump is currently ahead of Romney's 2012 total numbers by 250,000 votes. So it is not Trump who is wrong but the 10 Million Americans who have voted for him. Trump has now broken all records for a Republican Primary Election Humm? the misled millions?

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    In 1999, during his short-lived 2000 Reform Party presidential bid, Trump told CNN's Larry King: "If you can’t take care of your sick in the country, forget it, it’s all over. ... I believe in universal healthcare."

    I would put forth a comprehensive health care program and fund it with an increase in corporate taxes, " Trump told The Advocate right before he dropped out of the race in February 2000.

    And in his 2000 book "The America We Deserve," Trump made a strong pitch for universal health care. As to how the country might achieve universal coverage, Trump focused on a Canadian-style, single-payer plan. "The Canadian plan also helps Canadians live longer and healthier than America. … We need, as a nation, to reexamine the single-payer plan, as many individual states are doing."

    So, Trump has supported single payer in the past.

    Trump was asked on MSNBC’s "Morning Joe" talk show: "Are you for single-payer health care?"

    Trump replied:

    "No, but it’s certainly something that in certain countries works. It actually works incredibly well in Scotland. Some people think it really works in Canada. But not here, I don’t think it would work as well here. What has to happen -- I like the concept of private enterprise coming in ….You have to create competition. And you have to go back to a system of private."

    The no part of Trump’s answer, even as he repeated praise for single payer, seemed to indicate Trump does not favor it for the United States.

    But he has since been less clear.

    Two days later, at the first Republican presidential debate on April 6, 2015, Fox News host Bret Baier asked Trump:

    "Now, 15 years ago, you called yourself a liberal on health care. You were for a single-payer system, a Canadian-style system. Why were you for that then and why aren’t you for it now?"

    Trump said:

    "As far as single payer, it works in Canada. It works incredibly well in Scotland. It could have worked in a different age, which is the age you’re talking about here.

    "What I’d like to see is a private system without the artificial lines around every state …..Get rid of the artificial lines and you will have yourself great plans. And then we have to take care of the people that can’t take care of themselves. And I will do that through a different system."

    Again, a mixed bag: praising single payer, but advocating, if vaguely, for a private system.

    On July 31, 2015, a spokesperson for Trump clarified to Forbes that he’s "never supported socialized medicine" but is for "a universal ‘market-based’ plan that would offer a range of choices."

    The sort of system Trump is alluding to — a universal, market-based system with a mix of public and private funding — is essentially what the Affordable Care Act establishes.

    More recently, Trump essentially gave no answer when conservative talk show host Sean Hannity asked him about single payer on Hannity’s Sept. 1, 2015 radio program. After covering other topics, Trump replied by saying:

    "As far as single-payer and all — there’s so many different things you could have. Honestly, Sean, to do, to have great health insurance. The one thing I do tell people, we’re going to have something great. We’re going to repeal and replace Obamacare, which is a total disaster."

    Trump continues to praise single payer -- a health care system in which the government pays for care for all citizens -- at least as it used in other countries. But he has spoken a number of times, if vaguely, about a private system and at one point said he does not support single payer in the United States. Since then, his responses have been less clear.
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    OK so now he is onto HSAs What is he going to be on to tomorrow... I don't know. All I know for sure is that Hillery will be supporting and expanding Obama care along with most of the O holes other abominations and that is the point we have gotten away from.

    Do you want 4 more years of Obama? If so then by all means work against Trump. It's your prerogative. It's my prerogative to look at you and shake my head in disbelief.

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    Trump is a liberal democrat. Hillary is the spawn of satan.

    Do not make Trump out for more than he is.
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