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    Well, Mr. Rod's comments not withstanding......... I'll continue.


    * Public and Private Range rules speak for themselves. Either follow them (whatever they are) or you'll be asked to leave. They are in place to create the safest shooting environment possible. Sometimes they may seem unreasonable or overly cautious but there is probably a reason for that.

    At our little, very private shooting range we follow a few very simple rules.

    * Never touch a firearm if anyone or anything (dogs, etc.) are in front of a line perpendicular to the shooter. There was once a fellow who got tired of walking down to the 100 yard target so he said he would just stand off in the brush while we shot and he would check the targets. I don't think he ever did understand my reaction to that suggestion. I stopped just short of calling him stupid in front of his sons. He doesn't come around any more.

    * One loaded firearm and one shooter on the firing line at a time. Not hard to do. One time and just one time I deviated from this rule. There was a discussion about volume of fire vs. aimed fire. Myself, my three sons and one friend stood abreast and shot. I shot an SKS as did two sons, the friend shot an AR (20 rnd mag), one son shot an SKS with 30 rnd mag. The rule was to shoot as fast as possible at the target 50 yards away. 80 rounds later we checked the target. Two shots had hit the perp and they were superficial wounds at best. Then I had one of them signal me to shoot with my 94 Winchester. I had 2 seconds to shoulder the rifle, aim and fire. I may have gotten lucky but I made my point with a dead center shot. I use this example to dispel the notion that High Capacity Magazines or Semi-Auto rifles are more dangerous than any other weapon.

    * Hang fires or misfires. I hate em. In a rifle the prescribed method of dealing with them is to wait 30 seconds and eject the round. The first reaction is to pick it up and look at the primer. You have to overcome this first reaction. If the round ignites out side of a chamber it will be relatively harmless as the case will go backwards and the bullet will likely not move much at all. If, on the other hand, you happen to be holding it and looking at the primer and it ignites, might get hit in the face as physics takes its course. I spot them and leave them lay for several minutes. After a few minutes I will give them another try. They normally fire but if they don't I follow the same procedure and them throw them as far as I can into the brush. I have had very few hang fires and not very many more misfires but it's good to know what to do.

    I am really concerned when I have a misfire in a revolver though. On a single action revolver, no matter what you do after the misfire the cylinder is going to rotate out of line with the bore. I don't know what would happen if a cylinder fired out of line with the bore but I know it can't be good. Even on a double action like a Smith or a Colt you still have to swing the cylinder open and at that time and until you can get it ejected it is contained in the cylinder. Recently I had this occur on a new to me revolver. I was not getting a good strike and the primers were not igniting. In those situations I always eject right away and do not continue shooting while the misfire is in the cylinder.


    Gotta go. To be continued.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highboy View Post
    Don't mix exlax and sleeping pills. Nothing to do with guns just good advice.
    Excellent advice....

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    More than excellent advice! Thank you for sharing this. I am one of those noobs who just received my XDM 2 days ago and will definitely read and re-read your post. Thanks!

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    It is certainly not the end all of advice but it will do for starters. Probably the most important thing to remember at all times is that no matter what, once sent on it's way, a bullet cannot be called back. There is no "do over". Everything up to that point is within your control.

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    Absolutely great post. Gun SAFETY above all else. If you don't intend to kill it, don't point a gun at it.
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    No Matter how respondsible He seems ,never Give Your Gun to a Monkey!
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    Very useful information this is. I know 3 rules for firearm safety. Can anyone tell me is this right or not?



    1. Always point the muzzle in a safe direction
    2. Keep your finger off the trigger and outside the trigger guard until you are ready to shoot.
    3. Keep the action open and the gun unloaded until you are ready to use it.

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    My dad gave me my first BB gun when I was probably about 9 and had died a few years later when he just started to introduce me to real guns. I've been kind of left to learn about guns on my own since no one I know was into guns the way I was, but I can say that I am incredibly thankful to the fact that the one thing he did teach me well before he died was the most important thing - gun safety. I've always been the safest and most conscientious around guns out of everyone I knew and its just something that just comes naturally and intuitively after a while. I'm amazed at how may people who are 20+ years older than me who are working behind the counter at gun shops and at ranges that don't follow some of the rules you mentioned. Just a couple experiences of mine:

    - I was checking our AR15's at a local shop and the guy behind the counter was sweeping me with the barrels as he was handing them to me. He was also missing a pinky, but I'm not going to jump to conclusions

    - I remember I was at the range years ago and this older man had, I assume, his son with him who was probably about 5 or 6 and first of all, the guy was breaking the rules of the range by wearing ear plugs rather than muffs, but then stopped paying attention to his son, who was holding the rifle and unintentionally started pointing it directly at someone else's back. One of the workers at the range had to go in and chew him out, but then a little bit later, his son had the rifle in his hands and was letting it point sideways down the range at everyone. Its unbelievable, its morons like this (the father, not the kid) why some ranges have such strict rules that can ruin the fun of shooting.

    Aside from these things that I remember specifically, I always observe behaviors that are unsafe in some way wherever I go. Its weird, it seems like something that is so simple to me, and I'm sure to a lot of people, but yet so many people disobey so many of the rules you mentioned, which leads me to believe that it must be a skill. So if you can't master this fundamental skill first, you have no business shooting.

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    One thing I wish people would pay more attention to at the range is the tendency to point the gun sideways when racking the slide or checking the chamber. It's very instinctive - you're facing down the range, so you naturally turn the gun sideways to examine it. It's pointed away from the person handling the gun... but it's also pointed directly at the people in the next station.

    This scares the crap out of me, because most of the time I don't notice what's going on in the station next to me. At most ranges, the walls are opaque so that you can't even see what is going on. You're really dependent on good range officers watching for that sort of thing.

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