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    Default Virginia Is Ground Zero in the War over Gun Control

    Melanie Kowalski
    January 4, 2020


    When Democrats won control of both houses of the Virginia Legislature November 5, 2019, Virginia gun-owners got a rude wake-up call. Now that wake-up call is spreading to gun-owners throughout the rest of the 49 states.

    In July 2019, Gov. Ralph Northam proposed a package of [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] that would tighten Virginia's gun laws, known as some of the least restrictive in the country. Currently, Virginia's gun control measures of merit ban the sale of firearms only to high-risk individuals and those convicted of domestic violence. However, the proposals would turn the least restrictive into what some would call dangerously restrictive, a premeditated strike against the Second Amendment. Northam's proposed package calls for legislation:

    • Requiring background checks on all firearms sales and transactions. The bill mandates that any person selling, renting, trading, or transferring a firearm must first obtain the results of a background check before completing the transaction.[/FONT]

    • Banning dangerous weapons. This will include bans on assault weapons, high-capacity magazines, bump stocks and silencers.

    • Reinstating Virginia's successful [sic] law allowing only one handgun purchase within a 30-day period.

    • Requiring that lost and stolen firearms be reported to law enforcement within 24 hours.

    • Creating an Extreme Risk Protective Order, allowing law enforcement and the courts to temporarily separate a person from firearms if the person exhibits dangerous behavior that presents an immediate threat to self or others.

    • Prohibiting all individuals subject to final protective orders from possessing firearms. The bill expands Virginia law which currently prohibits individuals subject to final protective orders of family abuse from possessing firearms.

    • Enhancing the punishment for allowing access to loaded, unsecured firearm by a child from a Class 3 Misdemeanor to a Class 6 felony. The bill also raises the age of the child from 14 to 18.

    • Enabling localities to enact any firearms ordinances that are stricter than state law. This includes regulating firearms in municipal buildings, libraries and at permitted events.

    Incoming Democratic speaker of the House of Delegates Eileen Filler Corn said gun control is a top Democratic priority for 2020 as she was recently interviewed for Fox News's On the Hill. This puts the Democrat majority squarely in the middle of a groundswell of activism. As Virginia becomes ground zero for virulent gun control activists, such as [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], they are met by the equally fierce [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (VCDL), who are determined to protect Second Amendment rights. While Virginia is home to the National Rifle Association (NRA), the VCDL grassroots organization, founded in 1994, is taking the lead in the fight against the legislation. This fight, while still predominantly Virginia-focused, is turning into growing national movement via social media, as word is spreading to gun-owners across the country. The concern is that what happens in Virginia could soon be coming to a state near you, or your own state, via legislative initiatives.

    The gun control topic has become so impassioned that VCDL is mounting a 50,000-plus lobbying effort slated for January 20 in the Richmond capital, the day the Democrats assume power. However, the battle is also being fought throughout the state, county by county, city by city. In response to Governor Northam's statement that [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] – "if we have constitutional laws on the books and law enforcement officers are not enforcing those laws on the books, then there are going to be consequences, but I'll cross that bridge if and when we get to it" – the populace is banding together at their respective county board meetings.

    Hence the rise of the Second Amendment "sanctuary county" movement. Prince William County's December 10 meeting was standing room only as the County Board voted on and passed the [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] declaring Prince William County a sanctuary county and that it would not "enforce any unconstitutional law." To date, with the recent addition of Fauquier County, with direct access to Washington, D.C., 87 out of 95 [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], 11 out of 38 [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], and 20 towns have adopted Second Amendment sanctuary resolutions in Virginia.

    The battle facing Virginians on both sides of the debate is not slowing. Northam, surprised at the vitriolic response of gun-owning citizens tried the divide and conquer tactic when he introduced a provision on Dec. 9 that would grandfather in existing guns that met the proposed weapons ban. However, two key developments have recently both enraged and further energized the gun rights movement.

    • Thursday, January 2, four budget hearings were held throughout the state with attention zeroing in on a [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] calling for a $4.8-million, 18-officer team to enforce the governor's proposed "assault weapons" ban.

    • A legislative [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] was proposed by incoming Senate majority leader Dick Saslaw, making it a felony to possess a pistol, rifle, or shotgun that falls under its "assault weapon" definition.

    Saslaw's definition of an assault weapon would expand to include a firearm magazine that holds more than 10 rounds of ammunition. So if a gun-owner owns a popular model like the Glock semi-auto, the standard magazines that come with the gun would make the owner in violation of the Virginia law if passed. This raises the hotly contested confiscation specter – and what the gun-owner will do versus what the authorities will do to the gun-owner.

    The scheduled rally on January 20 at the Richmond state capitol will be watched very carefully, because it also has the potential to spiral out of control. Social media channels that discuss the subject daily are spreading the intel that groups like Antifa, the Nazi Party, et al. will be joining the fray, leaving it up to subscribers and viewers to distinguish between those channels that carefully vet information they receive – e.g., law enforcement, actual government documentation – and those that spread the personal opinions of the channels' owners. As with all channels, the comments sections are indicative of the how strongly people feel about the situation in Virginia and what some are prepared to do.

    Gun-owners are no less saddened by Sandy Hook, Virginia Tech, or Columbine than their fellow citizens, but they also realize what is at stake if a government body passes laws designed to disarm its citizens in violation of their rights guaranteed by the Constitution and reinforced by the Supreme Court (see [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]).

    It seems poignant, and perhaps apropos, that the state that was home to Washington, Jefferson, Monroe, and Madison, and so dominant in the history of the founding of our country, is now once again a battlefield of the people versus their government. On which side will Virginia fall this time?




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    So the Virginia Governor, Ralph Northam, wants $4.8 million from the tax payers to create his own GESTAPO!

    ..... $4.8-million, 18-officer team to enforce the governor's proposed "assault weapons" ban
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    I have been observing this situation closely. I think it is time that good people everywhere start establishing gun sanctuary counties and cities all across America. We should not be sitting idly by observing, but standing with those who stand for the 2nd Amendment in Virginia. It is high time we sent a message; a strong message that we are Americans and we will stand for what is right and for our Constitutional rights.
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    There will be a meeting 1/20/20, at 8:00 AM, of the VCDL, and Oath keepers, and the public, at the Pocahontas Building, 900 East Main St., Richmond. This is to support Virginia's gun owners.
    We would all appreciate it, if you can join us, and show your support, by being there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AgedWarrior View Post
    I have been observing this situation closely. I think it is time that good people everywhere start establishing gun sanctuary counties and cities all across America. We should not be sitting idly by observing, but standing with those who stand for the 2nd Amendment in Virginia. It is high time we sent a message; a strong message that we are Americans and we will stand for what is right and for our Constitutional rights.
    Agreed, we should star a drive in every state pushing for "2nd Sanctuary City and/or counties", we already have one in Florida and, hopelessly we can add more.

    We also need to keep a eye in Virginia, I am afraid that if coolers heads do not prevail, we could see the start of a second civil war, something that no one really wants.
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    As of right now myself and two buddies are TRYING to make plans to make the lobby. Honestly it's not looking good for us and that bums me out.



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    Prohibited public carrying of certain firearms; penalty. Prohibits the carrying of a loaded shotgun or rifle in places open to the public in certain cities and counties. Current law prohibits the carrying in such locations of certain loaded firearms with high-capacity [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], silencers, folding stock, or long ammunition or a loaded shotgun with a magazine that will hold more than seven rounds of the longest ammunition for which it is chambered. The bill also eliminates a current exception to the prohibition on carrying such firearms in places open to the public for persons having a valid concealed handgun permit.

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    Firearms; removal from persons posing substantial risk; penalties. Creates a procedure by which any attorney for the Commonwealth or any law-enforcement officer may apply to a general district court, circuit court, or juvenile and domestic relations district court judge or magistrate for an emergency substantial risk order to prohibit a person who poses a substantial risk of injury to himself or others from purchasing, possessing, or transporting a firearm. If an [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] substantial risk order is issued, a judge or magistrate may issue a search warrant to remove firearms from such person. An [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] substantial risk order shall expire on the fourteenth day following issuance of the order. The bill requires a court hearing in the circuit court for the jurisdiction where the order was issued within 14 days from issuance of an emergency substantial risk order to determine whether a substantial risk order should be issued. Seized firearms shall be retained by a law-enforcement agency for the duration of an emergency substantial risk order or a substantial risk order or, for a substantial risk order and with court approval, may be transferred to a third party 21 years of age or older chosen by the person from whom they were seized. The bill allows the complainant of the original warrant to file a motion for a hearing to extend the substantial risk order prior to its expiration. The court may extend the substantial risk order for a period not longer than 180 days. The bill provides that persons who are subject to a substantial risk order, until such order has been dissolved by a court, are guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor for purchasing, possessing, or transporting a firearm; are disqualified from having a concealed handgun permit; and may not be employed by a licensed firearms dealer. The bill also provides that a person who transfers a firearm to a person he knows has been served with a warrant or who is the subject of a substantial risk order is guilty of a Class 4 felony. The bill creates a computerized substantial risk order registry for the entry of orders issued pursuant to provisions in the bill.

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    Firearm transfers; criminal history record information checks; penalty. Requires a background check for any firearm transfer and requires the Department of State Police to establish a process for transferors of firearms to obtain such a check from licensed firearms dealers. A transferor who fails to obtain a required background check and sells the firearm to another person is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. The bill exempts transfers (i) between immediate family members; (ii) that occur by operation of law; (iii) by the executor or administrator of an estate or by the trustee of a testamentary trust; (iv) at firearms shows in accordance with law; (v) that are part of a buyback or give-back program; (vi) of antique firearms; (vii) that occur at a shooting range, shooting gallery, or any other area designed for the purpose of target shooting or for use during target practice, a firearms safety or training course or class, a shooting competition, or any similar lawful activity; or (viii) that are temporary transfers that (a) occur within the continuous presence of the owner of the firearm or (b) are necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm. The bill removes the provision that makes background checks of prospective purchasers or transferees at firearms shows voluntary.

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    Transfer of multiple firearms; report to the Department of State Police. Requires any dealer who sells, trades, or transfers more than two firearms to an individual in a single transaction to report such transaction to the Department of State Police. The bill also provides that the State Police shall maintain multiple firearms transaction records for 12 months. Current law states that State Police shall maintain multiple handgun transaction records for 12 months.

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    Manufacture, import, sale, transfer, or possession of undetectable firearms; penalty. Creates a Class 5 felony for any person who manufactures, imports, sells, transfers, or possesses any firearm that, after removal of all parts other than a major component, defined in the bill, is not detectable as a firearm by the types of detection devices, including X-ray machines, commonly used at airports for security screening. The bill updates language regarding the types of detection devices that are used at airports for detecting plastic firearms.

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    Control of firearms by localities. Grants localities authority to adopt or enforce an ordinance, resolution, or motion governing the possession, carrying, storage, or transporting of firearms, ammunition, or components or combination thereof in the locality. Various provisions limiting such authority are repealed. Provisions limiting the authority of localities and state governmental entities to bring lawsuits against certain [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] and others are also repealed.

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    Allowing access to firearms by minors; penalty. Provides that any person who negligently leaves a loaded, unsecured firearm in such a manner as to endanger the life or limb of any person under the age of 18 is guilty of a Class 6 felony. Current law provides that any person who recklessly leaves a loaded, unsecured firearm in such a manner as to endanger the life or limb of any child under the age of 14 is guilty of a Class 3 misdemeanor.

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    Possession or transportation of firearms following convictions for certain misdemeanor crimes; restoration of rights; penalty. Prohibits a person who has been convicted of assault and battery when the person intentionally selects the person against whom a simple assault is committed because of his race, religious conviction, color, or national origin from possessing or transporting a firearm. A person who violates this provision is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. The bill provides for a process by which a person convicted of such crimes may petition the circuit court for a reinstatement of his right to possess or transport a firearm.

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    Purchase, possession, and transportation of firearms; fugitives; penalty. Provides that it is a Class 1 misdemeanor for any person who is a fugitive to purchase, possess, or transport a firearm. The bill also updates the criminal history record information check form to inquire if the applicant is a fugitive, as defined in the bill.

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    Appeal of involuntary admission order; possession of firearms; penalty. Provides that a person who is involuntarily admitted or ordered to mandatory outpatient treatment may not purchase, possess, or transport a firearm until his right to do so is restored by a court regardless of the outcome of any appeal of that order. A violation of this prohibition is a Class 1 misdemeanor. A third or subsequent offense is punishable as a Class 6 felony.

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    Possession of ammunition on school property; penalty. Provides that a person is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor if he knowingly possesses ammunition for a firearm upon (i) the property of any public, private, or religious elementary, middle, or high school, including buildings and grounds; (ii) that portion of any property open to the public and then exclusively used for school-sponsored functions or extracurricular activities while such functions or activities are taking place; or (iii) any school bus owned or operated by any such school.

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    Transfer of firearms; criminal history record check delay; penalty. Increases from the end of the next business day to within five business days the time in which State Police must advise a dealer if its records indicate that a firearms buyer or transferee is prohibited from possessing or transporting a firearm and the time after which a dealer may complete the sale or transfer without a response from the State Police. The bill removes the option in current law that a dealer may immediately complete the sale or transfer if he is advised by the State Police that a response will not be available within the required timeframe.

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    Concealed handgun permits; demonstration of competence. Removes the option for concealed handgun permit applicants to demonstrate competence with a handgun by completing an electronic, video, or online course conducted by a state-certified or National Rifle Association-certified firearms instructor. The bill does not affect any in-person means of satisfying the requirement to demonstrate competence with a handgun under current law.

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    They will have similar laws to Connecticut, if passed. What might happen like in Connecticut the laws will pass. There will be compromises like the Virginia is doing now with the laws trying to get people to like them. Illegal and un Constitutional as they r Connecticut just rammed it through and still they only thing they did was not comply. Connecticut said in one meeting with state FFL owners that they wont enforce the laws unless the person does something to break a law or is the focus of some issue - red flag, r/order, neighbor or someone in the store doesn't like you, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russ D View Post
    There will be a meeting 1/20/20, at 8:00 AM, of the VCDL, and Oath keepers, and the public, at the Pocahontas Building, 900 East Main St., Richmond. This is to support Virginia's gun owners.
    We would all appreciate it, if you can join us, and show your support, by being there.
    Wish I could be there in person, but I will continue to pursue standing with you here in Iowa...a few of us are working on it here.
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    If what they want gets passed, I fear it will travel to other states faster than a California wildfire.
    This needs to be stopped now.
    I am trying to save some vacation time to travel to Virginia this year to support them

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    I am not at all versed in VA laws. That being said, would recall petitions be out of order? They are a legal and peaceful way of removing elected politicians.
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